This sort of thing

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john eden said:
There was more eclecticism to things like Megatripolis and Megadog than maybe there appears to be in retrospect.

Megatripolis was not bad for a mid week club night in central London. The talks in the room upstairs included mad hippie shit that Luka likes (McKenna, Ruper Sheldrake, that bloke that wrote the book about MDMA) but also Class War (in a "spikey vs fluffy" debate iirc) and Stewart Home. There were stalls selling literature that included druggie nonsense but also the counter culture of the time - opposition to the Criminal Justice Bill being a big thing.

Musically, Mixmaster Morris was a fixture, but Weatherall and Colins Faver and Dale also played.

Megadog has your awful trance but also more credible sets from Aphex Twin, Orbital, PWOG and others.

Basically both these things brought together home counties kids who would probably have been into indie otherwise. So they acted as gateway drugs to other things - some people embraced Banco De Gaia and Infected Mushroom but others dug deeper.

The weird hippy trappings were just as present in things like Spiral Tribe - just not in the music.
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I'd say spiral tribe got pretty dull for the most part after 94. There were some great spiral adjacent things though, unit moebious the whole bad trip forever and ever den haag acid scene. Which was very much indebted to the ungodly hybrid of italo cheese and dark as fuck minimal wave, long before that became a trend for the hoxton massif.
 
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they were also mutually contradictory scenes, which craner's trolling was i supposed intended to bring up. The two Colins would never play a banco de gaia or green nuns of the revolution or loop guru record. not even close.
 
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thirdform said:
they were also mutually contradictory scenes, which craner's trolling was i supposed intended to bring up. The two Colins would never play a banco de gaia or green nuns of the revolution or loop guru record. not even close.
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Well they were musically contradictory yes, but there was still space for that music in the bastions of psychedelic trance at that time.

Around 1995/6 things solidified at clubs like Return To The Source and Escape from Samsara where you would just get solely psychedlic/goa trance all night. Though fair play to the guy who played Slayer at in the chill out room once. Also at those nights the overly political stuff was stripped out - there were no talks and there were no stalls selling literature - just tie dye mandlebrot shit, beads, herbal remedies and so on.
 
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This A2 is one of hardest acid tracks ever. Acidiferous (/Cauton Acid) -Sanchez & Fernando
must be friends of him, because this is the level. A bit similar to the Acidiferous track 'Tank',
although it is more minimalistic but the same mayhem aggressive power.
This is a unique monumental part of history of Acid. This track= 1000 points
...this sound remembers me on very powerful car engines, accelerated horse-power, thundering sportscar
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yeah Jürgen, sounds good, give me your number no mincing around and we can get up to some totally manly business, but in a non-gay way.

This one is even better

 
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john eden said:
Well they were musically contradictory yes, but there was still space for that music in the bastions of psychedelic trance at that time.

Around 1995/6 things solidified at clubs like Return To The Source and Escape from Samsara where you would just get solely psychedlic/goa trance all night. Though fair play to the guy who played Slayer at in the chill out room once. Also at those nights the overly political stuff was stripped out - there were no talks and there were no stalls selling literature - just tie dye mandlebrot shit, beads, herbal remedies and so on.
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Sure, but that's like jungle and happy hardcore coexisting until 96 really. Even though by mid 94 happy hardcore was its own thing and had little to do with the initial back 2 basics oldskool 92 impulse.

Also how all the big raves like fantazia, dreamscape etc had really fluffy eurohouse rooms, completely contradictory to this war in general, and yet bigger than both jungle and techno.

As you say by 95-96 the psychedelic trance clubs solidified into that sound because they had enough to play of it and could call it quits with his surly moody techno wife.
 
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I've talked about this on here before I think (because it's funny) but I'd split up with my first proper girlfriend of several years around 1995 and a bunch of my mates in London were off to Return To The Source every month plus after parties and whatever.

So I tagged along for a while and just got completely shitfaced on acid before going back to my parents house in St Albans at some point on Sunday, then back to work on Monday. But I would also have been going to Dead By Dawn at the 121 Centre around this time for a Speedcore fix with a different set of mates.

After a while the raves at the Fridge got very samey (there only so many snare rolls you can get excited about) and I worked through my angst about being dumped. But my mates were essentially organising their entire lives around trance (drugs all weekend, recover all week) and were incredibly conservative about any other music. Didgeridoos were purchased and trips to parties in exotic places overseas were planned.

So I bailed out.
 
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But also you can see how stuff like this could have been played by Colin Dale at those nights in the mid 90s before they were excommunicated:

 
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john eden said:
I've talked about this on here before I think (because it's funny) but I'd split up with my first proper girlfriend of several years around 1995 and a bunch of my mates in London were off to Return To The Source every month plus after parties and whatever.

So I tagged along for a while and just got completely shitfaced on acid before going back to my parents house in St Albans at some point on Sunday, then back to work on Monday. But I would also have been going to Dead By Dawn at the 121 Centre around this time for a Speedcore fix with a different set of mates.

After a while the raves at the Fridge got very samey (there only so many snare rolls you can get excited about) and I worked through my angst about being dumped. But my mates were essentially organising their entire lives around trance (drugs all weekend, recover all week) and were incredibly conservative about any other music. Didgeridoos were purchased and trips to parties in exotic places overseas were planned.

So I bailed out.
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Did the praxis boys know about your side habit at the time?
:D
 
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john eden said:
But also you can see how stuff like this could have been played by Colin Dale at those nights in the mid 90s before they were excommunicated:

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For sure. I think what the goa trance crowd did was take this very tangerine dream indebted form of arpy euro techno and basically fill it up with tesco world music samples and cod spirituality.

I have a few colin faver sets from 93 where he plays out and out early trance, the hard end of it granted. People tend to forget but there was a *coldly* cosmic end of trance initially, before the hippies won the lsd culture war.

This trance tune is wicked.

 
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