Herbal Remedies

[Woebot]

I'm only familiar with valerian root as a sort of sleep aid.

yeah it's one of those insider knowledge things. very good for "grounding" supposedly. i liked it.

 

[luka]

remember Matthew the boring answer is always the wrong answer.

 

[constant escape]

For these herbs you're taking, are you getting data of any kind? Or are you just focusing on experiencing the difference these herbs bring?

@luka I'm not as sure as you are.

 

[Woebot]

It's not all about chemicals. Nothing is.

it's only my view on the brain. but i'm not exactly a scientist. just an ill-eductaed hunch 🤓

 

[Woebot]

remember Matthew the boring answer is always the wrong answer.

oh sugar. i'm sorry. you keep telling me this. MUST REMEMBER.

 

[Woebot]

Or are you just focusing on experiencing the difference these herbs bring?

...and there was me hoping to avoid talking about myself AT ALL!

 

[constant escape]

Yeah hunches are our leads here. Mine is that it is all chemicals, so to speak, but in such a way that they combine to be greater than the sum of their parts. Which may seem like its not all chemicals, hence the paradox of emergence.

 

[constant escape]

All of the spiritual/mystical techniques involving this or that herb, just the results of stochastic experimentation with ingesting damned near whatever could be ingested, under these or those circumstances, bearing these or those results. More of a gnosis than a science, but science seems to be getting there.

 

[constant escape]

And the results were more experientially substantiated than empirically, in these more ancient cases, I would imagine. Handed down as insider knowledge, as you say.

 

[Woebot]

Yeah hunches are our leads here. Mine is that it is all chemicals, so to speak, but in such a way that they combine to be greater than the sum of their parts. Which may seem like its not all chemicals, hence the paradox of emergence.

it's like a big soup isn't it. inputs and outputs. certain physical processes affecting that soup.

my current pet theory is that meat (especially red meat consumption) is one of the big issues behind the growth of mental illnesses in the west.

BECAUSE (drum roll) meat and fish contain the highest levels of dopamine precursors.

stands to reason dunnit.

 

[luka]

It's all gods and demons and magic and poetry alliances and enmities psychic warfare ritual and worship and gnosis

 

[luka]

Chemicals are boring science is boring.

 

[Woebot]

All of the spiritual/mystical techniques involving this or that herb, just the results of stochastic experimentation with ingesting damned near whatever could be ingested, under these or those circumstances, bearing these or those results. More of a gnosis than a science, but science seems to be getting there.

science, man. WHAT A DRAG. it's always right at the back of the pack isn't it. scurvy and vitamin C, just for instance, a control group of 6 - no placebo (even if Lind interpreted the results incorrectly...)

 

[luka]

I've got no time for science whatsoever. Hated it at school. Absolutely hated it. It's death.

 

[Woebot]

Chemicals are boring science is boring.

science is boring - as a method. and pointless. but chemicals? that's like saying nature is boring. chemicals are just stuff, right?

 

[constant escape]

it's like a big soup isn't it. inputs and outputs. certain physical processes affecting that soup.

my current pet theory is that meat (especially red meat consumption) is one of the big issues behind the growth of mental illnesses in the west.

BECAUSE (drum roll) meat and fish contain the highest levels of dopamine precursors.

stands to reason dunnit.

By dopamine precursors, you mean molecules that are just a reaction or two away from becoming dopamine? What role would that play in mental illnesses? Just excessiveness?

 

[luka]

science is boring - as a method. and pointless. but chemicals? that's like saying nature is boring. chemicals are just stuff, right?

Nope, boring. Science. Chemistry. All boring.

 

[constant escape]

I've got no time for science whatsoever. Hated it at school. Absolutely hated it. It's death.

I think that says more about school than it does about science.

 

[constant escape]

But same. School absolutely snuffed my interest in math, science, history, and so on.

LSD + the internet administered the resurgence.

 

[luka]

Have you ever met an interesting scientist? No. You haven't. They're all brain dead it's like talking to a bar of soap.