thirdform

pass the sick bucket
I'm against most dmt smokers as well. they always listen to matthew's acquaintance music. I mean, i genuinely don't want to diss posford in front of someone who knows him and yes, to his credit, as a producer he is actually quite talented and knows a lot of neat production tricks, but man, why can't he use that tallent to make oh i dunno avant gabba or something.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
shiels does not want to rebel. he wants others to do it for him. that's the problem. He doesn't want to tap into radical gnostic austerity. he wants bells and whistles, whereas i am telling him that he is only allowed pure electrical current.


 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
robbie fripp is right that the austerity is a self-imposed limitation to rinse the potential. at first the sufi musician is told to hold one note. to get a feel for it, to go deep into its cavernous depths. it's the same with psychedelics. there's no mix and match until you absolutely master it, which none of us have done yet. this is different to economic austerity, which is a pure cost cutting operation to guard the profit makers. This austerity i am talking about enriches through understanding, whereas the other austerity hopes things things go back to pre-financial crash levels. we don't want to go pre-anything, we want to go even more forward.
 

Woebot

Well-known member
what do you make of him @Matthew ?

i don't understand why he thinks that what he describes as mushroom intelligence is somehow the property of mushrooms?

it's clearly, whatever you want to call it, the elan vital or cosmic consciousness. it's not bound to mushrooms.

so from that perspective he's a bit of a bore - going on and on about mushrooms. also he seems to be messianic and very self-regarding.

apart from that minor quibble a very interesting man! :ROFLMAO:
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
i don't understand why he thinks that what he describes as mushroom intelligence is somehow the property of mushrooms?

it's clearly, whatever you want to call it, the elan vital or cosmic consciousness. it's not bound to mushrooms.

so from that perspective he's a bit of a bore - going on and on about mushrooms. also he seems to be messianic and very self-regarding.

apart from that minor quibble a very interesting man! :ROFLMAO:

stuck in his ways. shrooms is all he knows, guv. i take it you wouldn't be interested in buying one of his Amadou hats then
 

Woebot

Well-known member
i take it you wouldn't be interested in buying one of his Amadou hats then

i always feel bad saying negative comments about things people point me to. i'm going to watch the whole thing (about 2/3 of the way through) i'm thinking lots about plants at the moment so it's definitely interesting.

though - ha ha ha - one of those hats @sufi will remember how i wore a strange blue felt hat for years. he'll be like nooooooo! didn't you think it was funny how he said "this substance is highly flammable" and then said his hat was made of it (turned out to not be THAT flammable in fact).
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Ok I’m prepared to be eviscerated for this but I enjoy cannabis. Occasionally. Seen a few comments here about being permastoned and that’s a quick path to the pit. Seems a lot of people go through this period and come out the other side. Did it too in my 20’s, running grows. The problems are all in the public domain now - hydroponics and high THC breeding selections have created mutants.

CBD and CBG are superb for pain relief. Problem is the difference between a CBD strain like Charlotte’s Web and hemp flower with added fruit terpenes aren’t the same thing.

99.9% CBD isolate is readily available across Europe. There’s no need for ineffective low % rubbish. The injury that got me out of the army has been a lifelong issue. If I go to the docs, they’ll drop any number of pills on me (morphine etc) when I’ve already found the optimal pain relief remedy - an e-nail vape with concentrate and a small edible that equates to about 50mg of THC twice a month. The latter is my substitute for alcohol on the weekend. CBD has proven anti-psychotic properties


CBG and immune systems


Everyone has an endocannabinoid system. *Make the most of it.

*This statement is made by someone who hasn’t gone out drinking in city centres or pubs generally in 20years. I prefer to decompress outdoors in the Peaks, also I’m not a hippy Jesus and there is no cross to hang me on.
 

Woebot

Well-known member
Ok I’m prepared to be eviscerated for this but I enjoy cannabis. Occasionally. Seen a few comments here about being permastoned and that’s a quick path to the pit. Seems a lot of people go through this period and come out the other side. Did it too in my 20’s, running grows. The problems are all in the public domain now - hydroponics and high THC breeding selections have created mutants.

CBD and CBG are superb for pain relief. Problem is the difference between a CBD strain like Charlotte’s Web and hemp flower with added fruit terpenes aren’t the same thing.

99.9% CBD isolate is readily available across Europe. There’s no need for ineffective low % rubbish. The injury that got me out of the army has been a lifelong issue. If I go to the docs, they’ll drop any number of pills on me (morphine etc) when I’ve already found the optimal pain relief remedy - an e-nail vape with concentrate and a small edible that equates to about 50mg of THC twice a month. The latter is my substitute for alcohol on the weekend. CBD has proven anti-psychotic properties


CBG and immune systems


Everyone has an endocannabinoid system. *Make the most of it.

*This statement is made by someone who hasn’t gone out drinking in city centres or pubs generally in 20years. I prefer to decompress outdoors in the Peaks, also I’m not a hippy Jesus and there is no cross to hang me on.

i think that's great! no problem with that afaiac. if i could get away with smoking cannabis i would.
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
I only smoke occasionally more out of convenience when outdoors. All about harm reduction. A mate’s wife figured out decarboxylation many moons ago, so for example you could eat 200-250mg of flower that had been put through this process as it is and have a milder experience. No brownies (gross as fuck) or cookies, ie no need for infusion into an oil or fat. You could try 700mg, but that’s quite a fuckin ride and my bucking bronco days are done.

Live resins (come to Butthead) are now on the market with high CBG ratios, eg


The thing about long term pain is how tiring it is, how punctually tedious it becomes. Clients we work with often come through that route - they’ve had a morphine or oxy script after a life changing injury, their script then got reviewed and shitcanned so they veered into heroin. Downhill all the way.

I’d much rather a % of these clients had access to non-bs cannabis. Project Twenty 21 is now up and running, only recently found out all the info there, so reform is already under way. Unfortunately the clinics are private for now, but I’d expect serious change in the next 18months. Carly Barton deserves a mention here

 
no, it's football. stop being a boring centrist dad. this isn't about freedom of choice, it's about reengineering your mind.

dosage is actually a crucial thing to experiment with and get right for yourself

one of the tragedies of drug culture is the all or nothing attitude. Ruins it.

A wee bit of mdma, a wee bit of ket, not necessarily together here, a wee bit stoned with a wee bit of red wine. Not celebrated enough. Don’t get me wrong I’ve abused drugs for nearly twenty years now but in my old age I realise how crucial dosage is. It’s much harder do it right actually, work it out for yourself and be able to guide and glide yourself through states without completely disintegrating. That’s the real engineering
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
High thought: has the psyche ever been considered a random (stochastic really) nervous signal generator? An organ whose duty it is to vary considerably? It is stochastic because the signals which subsist are the ones that get rewarded by their environments, becoming instinctual, and prove to serve as trunks for finer branches. A schizo physio despot, triggering a distribution of biomechanical functions, learning which ones work best in an ever-more elaborate environment.

And so its a sort of arms race, with each successive generation exhibiting more and more intricate nervous signals, although perhaps not in a straight climb - rather a wavy one. The individuation of intelligence. From learning to crawl to learning to manage an international company.

All of the above is an attempt to map/elaborate - emaporate? Could work. - the critical threshold between psychical and physical, which needs to be done in order for evermore complex tasks to become accomplishable.
 
High thought: has the psyche ever been considered a random (stochastic really) nervous signal generator? An organ whose duty it is to vary considerably? It is stochastic because the signals which subsist are the ones that get rewarded by their environments, becoming instinctual, and prove to serve as trunks for finer branches. A schizo physio despot, triggering a distribution of biomechanical functions, learning which ones work best in an ever-more elaborate environment.

And so its a sort of arms race, with each successive generation exhibiting more and more intricate nervous signals, although perhaps not in a straight climb - rather a wavy one. The individuation of intelligence. From learning to crawl to learning to manage an international company.

All of the above is an attempt to map/elaborate - emaporate? Could work. - the critical threshold between psychical and physical, which needs to be done in order for evermore complex tasks to become accomplishable.

yes the brains function is to map the body's response to environment and distribute energy accordingly
 
shiels does not want to rebel. he wants others to do it for him. that's the problem. He doesn't want to tap into radical gnostic austerity. he wants bells and whistles, whereas i am telling him that he is only allowed pure electrical current.

theres very little thats revolutionary or rebellious in obliterating yourself, a teenage fantasy. which isnt to say i havent learnt things from obliterating myself

and just because tech bros like gus love microdosing doesnt reduce it to just a productivity fad. i mean i find that whole side of it gross too but lets not cut off our nose here. This gets to the heart of the issue, its really not about whos doing it. seeing your drug intake as some part of yourself to be celebrated, i hate that in all its ramifications. apart from when i do it obviously
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Well where would we be if people stopped moving toward and extending the extremities? First order may feel like peace unto death, but second order feels like stagnation. The necessity of pathos qua deviation. The eternal function of dialectics.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
theres very little thats revolutionary or rebellious in obliterating yourself, a teenage fantasy. which isnt to say i havent learnt things from obliterating myself

and just because tech bros like gus love microdosing doesnt reduce it to just a productivity fad. i mean i find that whole side of it gross too but lets not cut off our nose here. This gets to the heart of the issue, its really not about whos doing it. seeing your drug intake as some part of yourself to be celebrated, i hate that in all its ramifications. apart from when i do it obviously

it's not teenage fantasy. what do you think the mystics meant by annihilation in the divine? Total ego death of course.

My point is a very simple one which you don't seem to get. If you are going to valourise the psychedelic experience, you have to push it to its limits. If not, fine, you can do whatever you like.

Tony Blair psychedelia is revolting though. Which is what happened to raving in the 90s of course. gatecrasher, a bit of whizz, a bit o spliff, take a few pingers and a drink, it's all good man, you'll be out of the club in one piece. Your prim 'never-takes-drugs-at-all' mum loved it!
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
@WashYourHands is serious about the medicinal benefits of cbd, so I'm not throwing shade at him. but the idea that you can just get people microdosing to minimise anxiety is psychiatry logic if you don't attend to those reasons which make you anxious to begin with.

And well, I'm against how psychiatry is overprivileged in todays climate because it is cheap, and easy to administer. whereas something like psychoanalysis is long and time-consuming.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
@shiels when you go into a psychedelic experience you are entering into a psychotic-like state, controlled or not. the question is not about recommending it or not, the question is being responsible (to yourself) for knowing what the experience entails. you can go through your whole life caning drugs but if all you come out with is a woke pc walker from secondary school then well... Noone who wants to experiment is going to be able to make use of what you say.
 
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