Book Club #1: RETREAT

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
OK, so my copy has arrived. it's a beast innit - nearly 500 pages.

so just to recap, we are looking to have read the first 100 pages or so by about the 19th?

looks like that would be first 5 chapters (chapter 5 starts p78 and finishes p125).

i've still got the Spare bio on the go, and the Invisibles, but should be able to fit this in as well. And I've still not read of those Borges stories.

The 19th would be ideal. Off for 3 weeks from next week. Lord have mercy.
 

catalog

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luka

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The chapters are very self contained. There's no need to read it as a book. He just does little run downs of all the counter culture luminaries. So there's a Leary chapter and a Ginsberg chapter. Everyone who's everyone. But no cross pollination.
 

catalog

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Ive just finished the first 40 pages or so and had an uncontrollable urge to scoff a pack of dortitos andeat a piece of cheese, with some frozen berries to finish. But i did chew it all very slowly. Good hesse quote about the value of nudism.
 

catalog

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i wanna see @HMGovt and @mixed_biscuits in this book club - i think they'll keep us on our toes. the first section on macrobiotics (number 7 diet is brown rice and nothing but brown rice) is the antithesis to hmgovt's paleo diet.

i like the japanese (ohsawa? i like how he chose it so that it sounded like 'feels good' in french) guy's take on matching diet to our teeth. we've got 32, 4 incisors for meat, 8 other ones for cutting veg and fruit, sorry can't remember what they are called.

but the vast majority of our teeth, 20, are basically flat good for grinding/pounding, so suited to grains.

and the yin-yang thing was interesting too. yin as centripetal and yang as centrifugal is that right? probably got it the wrong way around, i've not got the book in front of me.

i find it really interesting how, over time, complex symbols become reduced down to simple binaries. like the appendix picture of it, the central circle is fully one colour. so it's visually not balanced in the way we think of it to begin with.
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Molars have adapted a bunch. Sinew, gristle, all the good stuff can all (technically) be broken down this way, as can nuts, uncooked plant foods. Remember humans have been around for around for far longer than agriculture.
 

catalog

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So the teeth argument in favour of brown rice doesn't stand, yer saying. Or there's another side to it at least?
 

catalog

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Anyone else reading? I'm about 200 pages in.

Very interesting book, not alot of the factoids are totally new for me (I imagine people like star and spen are the intended audience) but I find woebots style very clear and to the point.

It's reminiscent of a series of books I read in 2018 and discussed briefly in one of my first posts here:


Highlights so far are the bergson quote underpinning the idea of psychedelia as an eliminative rather than productive process. Not got thd book in front of me right now, but it's a lovely bit of poetry.

And also the bit earlier on when woebot is talking about thinking of becoming a psychoanalyst and the conclusion that it's a belief more akin to religion than science.

Couple of minor critiques: wellness as a concept not quite fleshed out for me yet, but I wonder if simply changing it to 'mental health and wellbeing', which is what I'm doing in my head, is the thing that would make me understand it better. Wellness feels like an alien, American concept.

Also, would have appreciated contents and index, cos there's so many little bits you wanna go back and check.

But monumental achievement so far, vive about 5 people in mind already that I could buy it for cos I know they'll love it.
 

woops

is not like other people
And also the bit earlier on when woebot is talking about thinking of becoming a psychoanalyst and the conclusion that it's a belief more akin to religion than science.
tis a practice more akin to writing fiction even than religion is, i find it incredible that his ideas gained such traction he's clearly making it up as he goes along, this represents that represents this coz i reckon so
made harder to dispute by the fact that his ideas are so pliable,
they easily generated whole industries of claptrap
i love the guy (siggi) but do his ideas apply to the human condition>
no
 

luka

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Freud is the greatest genius that ever lived and is the perfect illustration of why everything is fiction.
 
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luka

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The problem everyone on dissensus has with Matthew and retreat (of course we love and revere him,but) is the anti drug stance. everyone here is pro drugs. To insanity and beyond. Self immolation. Otherwise, great book, lots of fun.
 
Freud is the greatest genius that ever lived and is the perfect illustration of why everything is fiction.

his most popular disciple Adam Phillips says he’s primarily a very interesting writer. @woops who was it did the comparison to the holy trinity, the self enclosed and reinforcing perpetuating system of language as The Fall all that
 

luka

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I wouldn't expect anything interesting to come from an Adam and true to form that's an appalling take
 
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