Emasculation of the Western Man

[john eden]

The emasculation thing starts back in the 60s and 70s though:

deindustrialisation and the decay of the status of manual labour
feminism
gay rights
greater acceptance of androgyny in youth culture
decline in living standards meaning that one income won’t support a family

This is one reason for all the nostalgic TV programmes like Happy Days and films like Grease. Simpler times. Also ironically whiter times, given the soundtrack.

 

[wild greens]

It's strange because the vast majority of the pro-masculinity zealots are quite clearly mentally weak and I would suggest the constant proclamations of supposed superiority are so frequently just a way of externalising their addictions to the internet and social media.

It's all just a bit lonely isn't it.

 

[john eden]

I personally have never felt any illusions about being a real man. Which is probably just as well as I have seen the results of people desperately over compensating.

I like men but I hate stupid blokey conversations.

 

[shiels]

I personally have never felt any illusions about being a real man. Which is probably just as well as I have seen the results of people desperately over compensating.

I like men but I hate stupid blokey conversations.

a very manly statement this. Very hierarchical and hygienic, clear boundaries. Absolute. Authoritative, speaking from experience.

 

[wild greens]

Even that is a falsehood perpetuated by the internet mythologisers though

A "real man" is what - physical labour, shit a road journeys, trade-based professions in the rain?

The people who talk about this shit publicly now are right wing media vessels or anti-mask gimps like prison planet. It's strange how the narrative has been shifted by these lads. Strong media awareness but it's only real to people who aren't really involved in the outside world.

Internet peripheries

 

[shiels]

What’s a falsehood?

 

[luka]

That's a given. But that's what we're talking about.

 

[yyaldrin]

one thing that i love is that taking anabolic steroids makes your penis disappear. you can't make something like that up right? it is why i believe in god personally.

 

[luka]

What’s a falsehood?

What did you fucking say?

 

[wild greens]

Interesting that the insult of choice from these lads is cuckold, I thought that was an interesting progression

I think it stemmed from the porn category? I would hope there is a quasi-scholar somewhere who has mapped the trajectory of "cuck" usage alongside the popularity of videos where a bloke watches his Mrs get bummed everywhere by a random stranger

If you ever watched the old Norm McDonald show on youtube there are five six episodes where he tries to articulate this progression but can't really, it's just so abstract he can't quite get there

Note that recent post in the covid thread where prison planet is talking about getting pegged.

See also meat only diets. Very homo-erotic

 

[john eden]

a very manly statement this. Very hierarchical and hygienic, clear boundaries. Absolute. Authoritative, speaking from experience.

Well thanks, I think.

One thing I always remember is a guy from accounts saying I was brave for using the mug I was drinking my tea from. And I looked at the mug and it an ordinary white mug but it had a blocky pink print of a flower on it.

When I asked him why, he said that he’d be mocked for it in his bit of the office and would never hear the end of it. And I think I laughed because it had never occurred to me. But that probably wasn’t a good response.

I still do stupid man shit like not expressing my feelings well, so I have some way to go towards John Stoltenberg’s invitation to Refuse To Be A Man.

 

[wild greens]

The incel attempting to redefine masculinity by internet verbalising his own insecurities

 

[sufi]

i just scored neutral on the harvard iat test https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html - does that mean i'm emasculated? 😨

 

[john eden]

The incel attempting to redefine masculinity by internet verbalising his own insecurities

Yeah it’s fascinating because the internet is inherently unmanly.

The proper geezers in my family barely use it.

 

[shiels]

I would hope there is a quasi-scholar somewhere who has mapped the trajectory of "cuck" usage alongside the popularity of videos where a bloke watches his Mrs get bummed everywhere by a random stranger

this emasculation and insecurity is the heart and driver of masculine acts. baby Jesus is a cuckold story. Ulysses is 700 evasive pages that conclude in a cuck fantasy stream of consciousness

 

[luka]

Interesting that the insult of choice from these lads is cuckold, I thought that was an interesting progression

I think it stemmed from the porn category?

I've written extensively and very incisively about this phenomenon yes this is true. My theory is that watching porn puts you in a cuckolded position, watching another man with the woman of your desires. There he is, shaved balls flapping about. So there's this mass shame being given expression.

 

[shiels]

Shakespeare loves it as well obviously

 

[luka]

Shakespeare loves it as well obviously

There's a bit in Uylesses about this isn't there. That's how I remember it anyway

 

[wild greens]

Suppose that communal kitchen years to come perhaps. All trotting down with porringers and tommycans to be filled. Devour contents in the street. Take your wife to Jamaica. My plates empty. Like sir Philip Crampton’s fountain. Rub off the microbes with your handkerchief. Next chap rubs on a new batch with his. Film it for posterity.

 

[shiels]

Masculinity always in some state of insecurity, is always paranoid, is always being undermined and has to prove again and again