Soul, the disneyfication

[entertainment]

btw we had a thread about capitalism already and luke said he doens't know what it is so wouldn't take it too seriously

 

[sufi]

how is disneyfication different from commodification?

 

[sufi]

there is already a long and illustrious history of exploitation of soul by capital anyway isnt it?

 

[luka]

btw we had a thread about capitalism already and luke said he doens't know what it is so wouldn't take it too seriously

I said nobody knows what it is it's just a word that stands in for 'the way things are'

 

[entertainment]

I said nobody knows what it is it's just a word that stands in for 'the way things are'

that's right i guess, which is probably suspendedreason's point rigth? that it's become a vision entrapped by itself in the sense that socialism has become a vision that's still free.

my instinct says it's probably a bad thing, and that's why I get annoyed by people pretending to talk about economic theory or something when what's really driving their arguments is a kind of sentimental attachment to another vision of life.

i mean at least with the old communist artists like Pasolini or someone you got the honesty about politics being aesthetic.

 

[sus]

I said nobody knows what it is it's just a word that stands in for 'the way things are'

We agree!!!

 

[sus]

I do want to apologize, I was inappropriately posting on this forum while sober. That's been rectified, and I'm sure it'll help "clear the air" to know: the air over here is just hazy.

 

[linebaugh]

Banks were frequently state-run in Ye Olde Days; "branches" has been used as a metaphor for a thousand kinds of human organization from the military to government; "stream" is a tech term that predates a marketable Internet; and the Soviet frickin Union stole the color red too.

Language is built on metaphors: our entire digital world is built on metaphors (because it's new and unfamiliar, we must make sense of it through analogy to the familiar). Documents, copy-paste, mice, server, desktops, clouds. None of this has anything to do with that persistent scapegoat "capitalism" (or its brother-concept "neoliberalism").

theres something to be said for the primacy of the associations though. the same metaphors are all tossed around but where does the mind go first when presented with them out of context? capitalism or whatever you'd like isnt excluded from loading our signifiers and in some areas its share of signification could probably be called 'colonization' with a little aesthetic liberty

 

[luka]

He knows Limburger, he's just being obtuse because he's decided to be Dissensus capitalism defender.

 

[linebaugh]

I know. I typed that for me.

 

[luka]

I liked it too so it wasn't a wasted effort. @woops did you like it?

 

[linebaugh]

come woops no need to be intimated by my towering intellect

 

[luka]

I guess @woops doesn't like it. But never mind, I still like it.

 

[woops]

metaphor is like a crazed layer between being and reality. language is as unreal as a screensaver. the mind works by distancing

 

[luka]

He's trying to say he doesn't like it, but in a nice way.

 

[woops]

i actually don't know what the direct referent of the question is so i'm trying to respond to the discussion in general

 

[sufi]

from today's msm grauniad

‘A metaphor is all this really is,” David Graeber wrote. He means consumption, which was once the name for a wasting disease, and is now the word anthropologists use for almost everything we do outside of work – eating, shopping, reading, listening to music. Consume, he notes, is from the Latin consumere, meaning “to seize or take over completely”. A person might consume food or be consumed by rage. In its earliest usage, consumption always implied destruction.

 

[sus]

He knows Limburger, he's just being obtuse because he's decided to be Dissensus capitalism defender.

I see you trying to desperately cling to the narrative even clutching the losing hand,.. Aight buddy have fun ouroboros'ing yr own dick

 

[sus]

Nvmm I changed my mind I am too dignified to even respond

 

[luka]

why do you have this mad idea that every interaction has a winner and a loser? It's bizarre. I made an elementary point which you decided to pretend not to understand for whatever reason. And that was the end. There wasn't a prize on offer.