"I'm trad, dad!"

suspended

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Well I was thinking about this interview Joseph Campbell gives, about Star Wars. He says, it's not just that Obi-Wan gives Luke a lightsaber to help him on his quest, it's not about the tool. It's that the tool is a symbol of the larger meaning-quest Luke's been given. That's the real gift: a purpose, a life narrative, a values system—and when the quest finishes running its course, the rebels are there to take over—"the work is never finished."
 

linebaugh

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Certainly but that doesn't necessarily explain the departed/devil wears prada approval dependency trait you've identified
 

suspended

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I'm not sure I'd take it that far, and I'm not even sure moderns are especially acknowledgment-seeking, just offering a theory.
 

mvuent

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I'm not interested in white nationalism or politics or racists. Boring! I wanna talk traditional values, lost ways of being, the belief that we've lost our touch on design, architecture. Nostalgia more generally. Conservatism in the sense of a nature preserve.
if you get into experimental/modernist art, architecture, or music you'll inevitably encounter people who say--the ones who are too sophisticated to leave it at "my kid could do that"--that this stuff is spiritually insubstantial, that it'll entertain you with its novelty for a while, but you'll ultimately realize that it lacks the substance and staying power of the old canon. i got into a brief amicable argument with patty about this in regards to a certain duo. i think corpsey also tends think this way, you can see it when he turns on luka to attack j.h. prynne. i've generally taken this idea seriously as well, even spending a few years in my teens trying unsuccessfully to get into mozart, bach, etc. after i felt that my taste had veered too far toward the modern/ugly/weird. it's even an idea that plagued a lot of modernists themselves. pierre schaeffer famously vacillated to this view, saying when he was old that he had wasted his life, that nothing could replace the language of classical music. (are there other good examples?)
 

linebaugh

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if you get into experimental/modernist art, architecture, or music you'll inevitably encounter people who say--the ones who are too sophisticated to leave it at "my kid could do that"--that this stuff is spiritually insubstantial, that it'll entertain you with its novelty for a while, but you'll ultimately realize that it lacks the substance and staying power of the old canon. i got into a brief amicable argument with patty about this in regards to a certain duo. i think corpsey also tends think this way, you can see it when he turns on luka to attack j.h. prynne. i've generally taken this idea seriously as well, even spending a few years in my teens trying unsuccessfully to get into mozart, bach, etc. after i felt that my taste had veered too far toward the modern/ugly/weird. it's even an idea that plagued a lot of modernists themselves. pierre schaeffer famously vacillated to this view, saying when he was old that he had wasted his life, that nothing could replace the language of classical music. (are there other good examples?)
William Onyebor became a born again christian and denied he ever made his old music.
 

WashYourHands

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why do we need the acknowledgement sus?

So the Brooklyn Cultural Mafia know they can’t grow rocket.

This is one area where the weed systems in US states intrigues. Outdoor growers all the way to chemists doing concentrates. Capitalism, near constant supply vs demand. Possible transference compounds from more harmful opiate abuse. Then you read about energy need for industrial (see niche brand) indoor companies. Strain genetics still gets an older self into flower porn. Same way CBD’s relationship to hemp has bloomed in Europe. Kannaswiss is just one example.
 

mvuent

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William Onyebor became a born again christian and denied he ever made his old music.
hmm denying you even made it in the first place is a bit extreme lol. i feel like a lot of musicians have become born again christians and renounced their old music. donna summer for example.

at my college work study job there was a kid who was an avowed marxist his freshman year, but then had pivoted to being a combat boots wearing trad born again christians by the time i saw him again the next year. a bit off-putting when the change is that abrupt. nice dude though.
 
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suspended

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if you get into experimental/modernist art, architecture, or music you'll inevitably encounter people who say--the ones who are too sophisticated to leave it at "my kid could do that"--that this stuff is spiritually insubstantial, that it'll entertain you with its novelty for a while, but you'll ultimately realize that it lacks the substance and staying power of the old canon. i got into a brief amicable argument with patty about this in regards to a certain duo. i think corpsey also tends think this way, you can see it when he turns on luka to attack j.h. prynne. i've generally taken this idea seriously as well, even spending a few years in my teens trying unsuccessfully to get into mozart, bach, etc. after i felt that my taste had veered too far toward the modern/ugly/weird. it's even an idea that plagued a lot of modernists themselves. pierre schaeffer famously vacillated to this view, saying when he was old that he had wasted his life, that nothing could replace the language of classical music. (are there other good examples?)
Great examples!
 

luka

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De Chirico makes the turn to kitsch later in life but that seems a more ambiguous example. I'm not sure he's trying to be classical exactly.
 

linebaugh

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hmm denying you even made it in the first place is a bit extreme lol. i feel like a lot of musicians have become born again christians and renounced their old music. donna summer for example.

at my college work study job there was a kid who was an avowed marxist his freshman year, but then had pivoted to being one of those combat boots wearing trad born again christians by the time i saw him again the next year. a bit off-putting when the change is that abrupt. nice dude though.
and if you haven't heard it his music was already innocuous, peace and love, perfectly in agreement with christian morality to begin with
 

WashYourHands

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What if tradition says you can't have women on their periods within a mile of any forge, because Cernunnos said so?

What if a druid who presided over your birth pronounced a group of geasa under which you have had to abide, one of which includes always sleeping in a tree every night?

 

luka

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That's a golden point for me. Always nice when you get a golden point.
 

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I'll let Edward Abbey do the talking. Dissensus: Do we agree?? Is trad twitter politically aligned with DEGROWTH? Will a third, anti-growth party ever emerge in a major liberal nation?
Anti-growth (although perhaps not necessarily nationalistic?) might be a position assumed against globalism, once globalism is more defined, once it sediments into the common sense.
 
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