Mr. Tea

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Can I listen to jungle please mum no you have to practice this Sonata or you won't get any supper
cue obvious joke about Dissensus dads forcing their kids to listen to endless jungle and hardcore mixes from 1992 because it's "proper music, not like the rubbish you get these days."
 
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sus

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mozart, and Classical era classical music in general, is an easy target. it’s ubiquitous yet unhip. by lambasting it you get to play the rebel without actually risking backlash—unless you’re talking to an orchestra violinist or an old person.

back in the day on /mu/ there was this contingent of young, obnoxious, highly knowledgeable classical fans who would ridicule anyone who found mozart et al boring and saccharine. by saying as much, you were instantly outing yourself as a dilettante, a “pleb” who lacked the discernment to read beyond the music’s pleasant, easy to swallow exterior to access its true depth and power. so instead of liking mozart being basic, it was not liking mozart (and being into edgier modern composers like penderecki and xenakis) that was disgustingly basic.

of course, everyone on dissensus is old enough and smart enough not fall for that rhetorical game. but as a method of trolling insecure teens who probably derived some fragile sense of self worth from the idea that they had good music taste, it was incredibly effective, and a pretty impressive feat of inverse-inverse-snobbery.

yet i think there is truth to that perspective, and it gets at what i meant earlier by saying i couldn’t get into mozart. there are works of his i find beautiful (probably like the one you posted, spendy, i’ll check later) but my engagement really is superficial. (learning the basic forms used certainly helped, but it’s still only an initial step.)
Thank you for offering the first great reply in this discussion's sewerthread of mediocrity (my own comments especially). Really nice thoughts.
 

sus

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I wonder how much early childhood (read: highly plastic brain + foundations of musical taste) alters these things. I (for snobbery reasons, long story of social context we need not get into) listened to a lot of classical music starting in 5th or 6th grade, and even though I largely dropped it for popular music come high school, it's always stuck with me / as soon as I escaped social cliques in which it was uncool to listen to, I came right back to it.
 

sus

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You need to understand that @luka is both fanatically anti-intellectual and also the world's cleverest person.
He's in the 1% of clever but let's not get carried away he's certainly not in the .01% or the .00001% be precise with your numbers Tea what do you t hink this is , a pub debate
 

sus

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Dissensus (board)​

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dissensus (founded 2001) is an online board dedicated to discussing music and contemporary events. Its pre-eminent genius is a user named mvuent; users in a 2020 poll agreed, overwhelmingly, that he is "a bigger genius than luka"
 

sus

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He is brilliant but a)you said he couldn't be in The Dudes because he 'didn't have the winning mentality' and b)he literally prefaced his comments by saying he copied them off 4chan.
to be fair at the time I believed mvuent was female. I've since learned that we don't have any of those in these parts, out in the wild of the wild of the west, out in the sun of the sun of the sun, all pioneer spirit
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
He's in the 1% of clever but let's not get carried away he's certainly not in the .01% or the .00001% be precise with your numbers Tea what do you t hink this is , a pub debate
I think it's time to open a beer, which I have just done.
 
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