New R&B

Corpsey

call me big papa
Not trying to step on new dancehall's toes here, honest.

Listening this new (excellent so far) Jazmine Sullivan album and thought why the fuck not.


 

Corpsey

call me big papa
I also solemnly swear this won't be an excuse to neglect my new dancehall homework or may I be caned to within an inch of my life.
 

boxedjoy

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one of my favourite things I saw last year was Jazmine Sullivan at the Soul Train Awards. Obviously nobody is doing live shows with crowds and bands so I loved her approach to this - basically, do the two singles as a medley performance and make it into a story. I was very hungover the morning I watched this on catch-up and found it more powerful than I probably should have.

I love her voice. She has this incredible quality where she can do all the vocal runs and hit the big notes but also sound like she's lived inside the experience and the song. She just really understands how to perform. I'm not wild about when r&b singers do performances with full bands and try to pretend they're Stevie Wonder/Prince (I saw Miguel do this live and it was awful, replaced all the woozy textural gauze of his music with funk bass and live drums, absolutely missing the point) but on a technical level the bit where she matches the solo here is really incredible.
 

boxedjoy

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I love the casual sass of this - breezy, calm, that's just how we do it. But it's also got that swagger from looking good and making money. Aspirational effortlessness.
 

boxedjoy

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truthfully I'm not sure about the recent mini-trend of r&b singers borrowing from afrobeats and a lot of it feels like bandwagon-chasing. But Sevyn is one of my favourite singers of the past few years. She's very obviously a student of 90s/00s r&b, both in how she writes songs and how she performs them, and there's always lots of clever samples and re-interpolations of the past, like this very obvious Sade melody. But she's also another great performer - she intuitively understands how to bend and throw her voice to service the song, and on this she sounds really sweet and alluring.
 

boxedjoy

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some songs capture a moment or a feeling but this is really more of a story - she's been hurt, she's gone to stay in the hotel, maybe she's going to fuck the new man, maybe the old man deserves it, maybe it's her own fault. I love the way her voice captures that mess of emotions.
 

boxedjoy

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I think this kind of loverman come-to-me posture is really difficult to hit well - it's really easy in r&b tropes for men trying to seduce women to seem insincere, or pathetic, or entitled, or just insistently horny; this hits the balance of earnestness and toughness exactly right.
 

boxedjoy

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Monet built up her name as a songwriter for big pop acts and this perfect slinky disco not being a massive hit single is evidence the industry is racist because there's no other logical explanation.
 

luka

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Staff member

I think this kind of loverman come-to-me posture is really difficult to hit well - it's really easy in r&b tropes for men trying to seduce women to seem insincere, or pathetic, or entitled, or just insistently horny; this hits the balance of earnestness and toughness exactly right.
This is brilliant. Gold star.
 
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