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Yeah I did say just now that it appears in classical mythology and if you read this thread you would know that I've already examined this one a bit

re women coded as trees/nature....

the Apollo/Daphne story (he chases her, she’s not keen, she calls her father to help her, he turns her into a laurel tree) from Ovid is a big inspiration for renaissance and other artists...

The Master of the Judgement of Paris - The Metamorphosis of Daphne (Barber Institute) (c.1450)


Apollo and Daphne by Veronese (c.1560-65)


Carel van Mander (c.1588)


Daphne by Wilhelm List (1899)


But what I'm saying is, isn't it odd that in recent mythology, you don't see it?


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But they are animals not plants. Like in marvel universe, there's not a nature hero is there. Apart from swamp thing like I said before.

Feels like we're going round in circles here.


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It's actually really good lecture this, yoh should all watch it. She's sort of debunking the ayahuasca experience a bit and going against some received psychedelic ideas


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A guy from the audience prefaces a question by saying he's done 50 ayuahsca sessions and gone deep and she says it's still just his perception (actually someone else from audience says that, but she leads to it)


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his perception of what?

He says he's had huge learnings and insights when he had the juice.

But he's never had a direct conversation, verbalised conversation.. With another being...

So his question to her is how do you get the voice off the plants ( cos shes talked previously about how the plants talk to her).

She says to him, Who is asking?

She says to him that if you had these deep experiences, you wouldn't be asking this question.

And that it's a Very human and ego way of thinking, to think that youre being talked to.

Then this woman in the audience, who does massage, and says she's "seen" light all her life, around her.

She says she was massaging her 6 year old kid, and he says to her, mummy did you see that light, and she's shocked, and says, "what light? "

"did you see the light" .

And the kid apparently replied:

I perceived that I saw the light.


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Also she then goes onto say how Darwin used to sit and stare at plants, slow himself down, and thereby tuned in a bit.

She says ayuahsca exaggerates.


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No she's quite convincing, I've explained it badly. But she's adding a few things up, I've just given you the conclusion. Just watch it. Watch 10 mins


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anyone who takes these drugs and isnt a pisstaker is basically a narcisist and probably a dangerous maniac