Do we really want out?
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
how long though, before you just have to?
out doesn’t seem an option this second, planning is different, idealising it too
logistics, money, actualising an out, I mean define out.
next 18months are about essentials, off the map territory for nearly everyone under being a kid in wwii for even the most absurd comparative scale.
out of Britain? definitely
out doesn’t seem an option this second, planning is different, idealising it too
logistics, money, actualising an out, I mean define out.
next 18months are about essentials, off the map territory for nearly everyone under being a kid in wwii for even the most absurd comparative scale.
out of Britain? definitely
craner
Beast of Burden
You mean, when he was throwing peanuts at my head?
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Americans
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
and Englishmen, clearly, always with their malevolent dark energies
these are the worst of said demonologies, never look them in the left eye
these are the worst of said demonologies, never look them in the left eye
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
sorry it’s like a tick
on topic, could see a section of the national grid getting hit somehow and then there’s the possibility of far worse outcomes
gmail going down melted a few eggs, imagine a week with no electricity - license to steal, most of the immediate robberies since spring have been drug related - how deep down the Ray Mears wormhole can you go?
sounds like a lot woohoo but out is also overdoses, abuse and self harm spiking, people feel caged and it’s real but the immediacy of it differs experientially across the populations too
on topic, could see a section of the national grid getting hit somehow and then there’s the possibility of far worse outcomes
gmail going down melted a few eggs, imagine a week with no electricity - license to steal, most of the immediate robberies since spring have been drug related - how deep down the Ray Mears wormhole can you go?
sounds like a lot woohoo but out is also overdoses, abuse and self harm spiking, people feel caged and it’s real but the immediacy of it differs experientially across the populations too
Appreciating all manifestations of Left-wing politics/activism/radicalism as functioning in this manner within Western democracies was a key milestone of my journey across to the Right.
IdleRich
IdleRich
But a tribal thing can collapse so easily. If you got kidnapped by the village next door you would be fighting for them soon. If you have reasons for your position it's not so instantly easily defended but I think it will last longer. Of course, maybe you change your reasons after thinking about them but that seems fair enough.
Before I incur the wrath of certain sections of the forum, by ‘Right’ I mean One-nation conservatism as it is understood in the British tradition, and not either the red-pilled alt-right bollocks, or libertarianism (which I consider equally as ridiculous an ideology as communism).
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I refuse to believe Luka would fight for ILX.
Don't really understand this thread. There are many working class right wingers which the left demonises as bigoted.
Politics is not a game but a fetish standing between the potentials of our real life. Of course it has real life consequences. But that fetish must be demystified. Moaning about Starmer's complicity only strengthens that fetish. We saw this with people advocating a critical vote for Miliband. Their politics are based on messianism far more than communists. OK you've exercised your democratic right for the less bad option then spent your time slagging them off. But that doesn't matter to the politicians, you've given them power. You can gnash yer teeth all you like. Exercising your democratic right means surrendering your will to a collectivity to the abstraction of the people, or volk, or nation. It does not in any sense mean protest or expressing your opinion.
All it means is that political representatives are exalted as sacred and heavenly within political society, but profane and subject to forces standing above them in civil society.
If Maggie Thatcher said there is no such thing as 'the people', or 'the volk' only classes, then she would have been much closer to having a mythical conversion to proletarian terror than any labourite. Alas she was right to note that Tony Blair was her greatest achievement. Credit the lass where credit is due.
Politics is not a game but a fetish standing between the potentials of our real life. Of course it has real life consequences. But that fetish must be demystified. Moaning about Starmer's complicity only strengthens that fetish. We saw this with people advocating a critical vote for Miliband. Their politics are based on messianism far more than communists. OK you've exercised your democratic right for the less bad option then spent your time slagging them off. But that doesn't matter to the politicians, you've given them power. You can gnash yer teeth all you like. Exercising your democratic right means surrendering your will to a collectivity to the abstraction of the people, or volk, or nation. It does not in any sense mean protest or expressing your opinion.
All it means is that political representatives are exalted as sacred and heavenly within political society, but profane and subject to forces standing above them in civil society.
If Maggie Thatcher said there is no such thing as 'the people', or 'the volk' only classes, then she would have been much closer to having a mythical conversion to proletarian terror than any labourite. Alas she was right to note that Tony Blair was her greatest achievement. Credit the lass where credit is due.
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Why doesn't the right function like this also though? The sole difference is that the right wants to realise an existing reactionary totality within society, whereas the left wants to graft an authoritarian totality onto society to save capitalism. Two sides of the same coin.
eh i mean there's no wrath from me but it's just warmed over social contract theory, innit. Hopefully you've gone full Hobbesian in which case youre not really a one nation conservative.
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I was going to ask that too. My assumption was Rudewhy would either say they do, but we're talking about the left then explain how it also applies to the right or they don't because they don't pretend there's an outside to escape to.
I think that just means you end up taking the left at face value, which makes the right itself enthralled to the existence of the left. For me the problem with the left is precisely that they maintain the existing order by foreclosing the possibilities for revolution by being the representatives of revolution. The left are sensible pragmatists. They know that were revolutions to happen, most of them would lose their privileged positions in academia, in the trade union bureaucracies, as parts of sectlets etc. So they become a kind of gatekeeper of what they perceive as an avant-garde. But like the academic avant-garde the more they do this the more they become their own ghetto. I don't think for instance the left has any influence in either the UK or America except for the influence the right gives *them* to maintain its own culture warring position.
Another way to think about this is to correctly note that Corbyn's policies were far to the right of Ted Heath and even Churchill circa 1945.
Hell, he'd be disowned from Atley's labour, and as Harold Macmillan rightly noted that was a state capitalist party with hardly any socialist content.