Junot Diaz

IdleRich

IdleRich
Anyone read this guy? To me he's just about interesting enough to merit his own thread instead of the passing mentions that are generated from the "what are you reading now?" thread. A few years ago I read his novel The Brief Wondrous LIfe Of Oscar Wao - a title there that is so stereotypically magic realist as to be a joke, in fact it probably is a joke, that's the sort of book it is. The novel itself is a mixture of stuff about the (Dominican) immigrant experience in the US mixed with Pynchonesque post-modernism and footnotes (my honest thought, I'm not just saying that cos these days he's the only author we're allowed to discuss on dissensus) mixing comic book references, sci-fi, ghetto sex and flitting between various characters in the US and in the Dominican Republican where the almost impossibly malevolent dictator Trujlllo casts a terrifying shadow over everything and everyone. The book was fun and free-wheeling and, ultimately, to my mind, disappointingly shallow (although fair enough I learned something cos I knew less than nothing about that dictatorship).
The other day I was at my friend's house and I spied This Is How You Lose Her on her shelf. Having left the book I was supposed to be reading at a friend's house I asked her if I could borrow that instead and before I took it we had a brief discussion of his style; to my surprise she was utterly bemused when I mentioned Pynchon and couldn't see the link at all. I took the book home and started reading it and I immediately understood why, it feels very much like the Wao book but is totally shorn of the footnotes and the magic realism (so far at least) and the flourishes that had caused me to make the comparison. Thing is, even so, it read virtually the same as the other book and that brought home to me how much all of that stuff was a gimmick. I messaged my friend to say that I thought that Diaz was a good writer but I just wish that he had something to say, and it occurred to me that he had added all those gimmicks on to what I'd assumed to be the later book to cover up for an ultimate lack of ideas. Then I googled and discovered that THIS was in fact the later book and his direction of travel was in fact to remove the flashy bits and cut down to the purer essence. But still, I just wish that the essence was more.... essential.
Anyway, he seems to be highly regarded by the critics and he can write rather well but, for me, he's missing the magic element. Anyone want to tell me why I'm wrong, or even why I'm right? Anyone read him at all please?
 

sus

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I heard someone read This Is How You Lose her in a folk music cellar circa age 19, thought it was moving. Read Oscar Wao for my one & only (never again) creative writing course, was mixed. He's talented for sure but too bluepilled to really warm my gonads.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
What's bluepilled? Is it the opposite of red-pilled? My guess would be that a blue-pilled guy is one who is all wimpy and whining about women's rights all the time, cos he hopes to get laid... or maybe it's an insulting term used by people who identify as red-pilled for someone who is a genuine feminist. I can guess that a blue-pilled person is gonna be defined in opposition to a red-pilled one and so I can surmise quite easily the vague personality type that person will be expected to display... but what I don't know if it's a term that people happily embrace or if it's only used as an insult by people who don't want to fit into that category, and also I don't know if it carries an assumption of falseness with it or not or....
In short, tell me what you mean when you say blue-pilled cos, until you do that my response to your response cannot get off the ground -which would be a shame cos I doubt anyone else will respond at all.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
nb I find it quite depressing that we're still stuck on this idea of dividing people into groups on the basis of a throwaway line from an enjoyable but ultimately quite silly sci-fi film from 25 years ago. Not having a go at you here at all G (sadly one has to work with the categories that are there) but I just find the idea of someone who says "I'm red-pilled" and expects to be taken seriously as ludicrous beyond belief.
 
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sus

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Bluepilled is somewhere between cucked and soft basic, but it's hard to define, it's just a feeling, right? Like you talk to somebody and they're nice but they're not ripped-up, edgy, avant, I mean cmon, Junot Diaz is like, a little New Yorker boy beloved by MFA'ers. That doesn't mean he isn't skilled!
 

sus

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Bro stop believing the view of the world Steven Pinker-Hillary Clinton-Barack Obama-your-high-school-heroes profess publicly. Grow up past the schoolboy mentality. This is nothing against bluepills I have several as friends and also have been bluepilled at several points in my life
 

luka

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all rich is saying is if you adopt the vocabularly of 4chan dweebs everyone will assume you are a 4chan dweeb.
 

sus

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I adopt the vocabulary of everything I interact with, I'm sorry if that offends your sensibilities. And you say I'm the one obsessed with social signals! Purely theoretically, m8.
 

sus

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Bluepilled is someone who wants desperately to be accepted by elite liberal society because they still believe in elite liberal society
 

luka

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having to painstakingly work out the 'rules' of social exchanges which have been internalised and become unconscious in neurotypical types
 

sus

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You know, there is something to the "present-at-hand" thesis of autistic social insight, but no, keep going, I'm getting hard
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
all rich is saying is if you adopt the vocabularly of 4chan dweebs everyone will assume you are a 4chan dweeb.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that these dorks use the word to describe themselves so we kinda have to use it too cos it's the most appropriate word. But they're still dorks.
 
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IdleRich

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Bluepilled is somewhere between cucked and soft basic, but it's hard to define, it's just a feeling, right? Like you talk to somebody and they're nice but they're not ripped-up, edgy, avant, I mean cmon, Junot Diaz is like, a little New Yorker boy beloved by MFA'ers. That doesn't mean he isn't skilled!
This is kinda what I don't get, he writes as though he wants to be a bit ghetto but he's not very ghetto at all.
But would a bluepill even want that?
 
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IdleRich

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Sometimes (including last night cos I remembered it) I go on The Return of Kings website and laugh at the articles by inadequates who are scared that women can vote. But it's like they went "What will make us look even more like cunts than a Matrix reference? Got it - Lord of the Rings!"
 

sus

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I think it is important to note for posterity that redpill is generic; the manosphere redpill is just one claim to reality, for any issue there are bluepillers and redpillers. For example, I am redpilled on flat earth

But regarding the ghetto thing I think this is a perfect example of how he is bluepilled, the only problem is the framing is off.
 
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