France Separatism Bill

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
are the oil fat saudis pumping an evil ideology into the world which threatens our way of life and is france finally standing up to them and saying, no, thats it, enough of your funny business. we can have nice Islam but none of your female genital mutilation and suicide bombings. youve got away with this mischeif for too long.
Obviously those things are pretty bad but the broader question is probably whether a policy like this is going to actually address the problem, or if it isn't even going to make it worse.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Islam doesn't forbid wanking.
I'm picking just a few random religions. All of them (as far as I can tell) make demands on you which are unreasonable and make your life harder - sometimes you can't do anything on a Saturday, sometimes you can't lend or borrow money with interest, sometimes you can't wank. Whatever it is, it's an imposition that you wouldn't otherwise have.
 

sufi

осом
I'm picking just a few random religions. All of them (as far as I can tell) make demands on you which are unreasonable and make your life harder - sometimes you can't do anything on a Saturday, sometimes you can't lend or borrow money with interest, sometimes you can't wank. Whatever it is, it's an imposition that you wouldn't otherwise have.
that's a very individualistic take
what about the social benefits of everyone behaving nicely (assuming that you can accept that religions might provide that sort of benefit)?
denying individual rights in the interest of the group cuts both ways - France are trying to enforce Laïcité by denying freedom of worship by individuals
 

sufi

осом
I'm picking just a few random religions. All of them (as far as I can tell) make demands on you which are unreasonable and make your life harder - sometimes you can't do anything on a Saturday, sometimes you can't lend or borrow money with interest, sometimes you can't wank. Whatever it is, it's an imposition that you wouldn't otherwise have.
(erm is the post office closed because of shrove tuesday? :ROFLMAO: )
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
that's a very individualistic take
what about the social benefits of everyone behaving nicely (assuming that you can accept that religions might provide that sort of benefit)?
denying individual rights in the interest of the group cuts both ways - France are trying to enforce Laïcité by denying freedom of worship by individuals
Yeah. Seriously although I do hate religion, I would never ban it. I would ban religious schools and indoctrination and forcing people to be part of a religion (in theory, I don't know that would be done in practice) but I wouldn't make any attempt to stop people who wanted to following their faith. Like I say, I think it makes life harder as a rule for people as a rule (though of course there are some pay-offs) but if you want to do that of course I wouldn't want to stop you. It's the same as vegetarianism, or being straight edge or countless other things that people do that involve some sort of sacrifice but which they think is worth it and which will either make them a better person or the world a better place. Fair do's.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
(erm is the post office closed because of shrove tuesday? :ROFLMAO: )
Yeah obviously it's that. Now I actually bother to look around everything is completely shut of course - I'm a massive massive twat - and the other thing I was planning to do today which was take the car to the garage is also completely out of the question. I think I might go to bed again, again, for the second time today, it's been a complete failure all round.
 

thirdform

Well-known member
I'm picking just a few random religions. All of them (as far as I can tell) make demands on you which are unreasonable and make your life harder - sometimes you can't do anything on a Saturday, sometimes you can't lend or borrow money with interest, sometimes you can't wank. Whatever it is, it's an imposition that you wouldn't otherwise have.

There's a take in the more esoteric branches of sufism that it is those very passions that are necessary to develop the human character and a more humane world and abolishing them outright would merely make us not different to angels. Obviously, It's not a take that sits well with literalist muslims (or fundamentalist christians, for that matter) but religion does contain the kernel for its own abolition. In the same way that scientific atheism stems out of the ontological argument for the proof of the existence of God.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yes I hear that.
Also, more importantly, religion does provide a lot of stupid stuff for us to laugh at and it would be a shame to get rid of that as well.
 
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