The terminal decline of intellectual dance music

luka

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I really do not understand how can people consider cold and emotionless music as equivalent, I think in case of AE it's a similar region of nuum that grime is coming from.
Might be cold but I would not say it's empty or insincere just because it's a bit autistic and not so directly expressing emotions.
IMO IDM tends to be dysfunctional in how it's dealing with emotion, but still AE wouldn't even be on top 10 autistic electronica, quite the opposite.
Can you draw up your top ten autistic electronica for us please?
 

blissblogger

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I was just listening to 'Cosmic Pulses' yesterday!

I loved it actually - a good way to go out (his last composition, right?).

I thought I'd have a trawl through Karlheinz (but only the stuff involving electronics - limited appetite for all that tiddly-bong percussion, sour agitated orchestral palette stuff) so made one of those giant playlists that you never listen to all the way through because it would take 2 and half days.

but right now I'm listening to things like West Street Mob "Break Dance - Electric Boogie" and was actually wondering aloud (to the ever patient missus) about a different path my life could have taken if I'd got a piece of lino in 1983 and had a 'go' in some shopping arcade. Bought a can of aerosol.

I don't think "music for the body" is any less cerebrally appealing than "music for the mind", there's always a structure to contemplate, and equally there's very little "music for mind" that doesn't pull at our physical being on some level, there's a bodily element even to ambient I think

classical music is full of rhythm, it's not danceable in the late 20th Century popular music way, although you could dance to it if you had a mind to - it's only the mores of classical music consumption that demand the audience consist of serried ranks of static upright bodies in formal clothing.
 

thirdform

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I was just listening to 'Cosmic Pulses' yesterday!

I loved it actually - a good way to go out (his last composition, right?).

I thought I'd have a trawl through Karlheinz (but only the stuff involving electronics - limited appetite for all that tiddly-bong percussion, sour agitated orchestral palette stuff) so made one of those giant playlists that you never listen to all the way through because it would take 2 and half days.

but right now I'm listening to things like West Street Mob "Break Dance - Electric Boogie" and was actually wondering aloud (to the ever patient missus) about a different path my life could have taken if I'd got a piece of lino in 1983 and had a 'go' in some shopping arcade. Bought a can of aerosol.

I don't think "music for the body" is any less cerebrally appealing than "music for the mind", there's always a structure to contemplate, and equally there's very little "music for mind" that doesn't pull at our physical being on some level, there's a bodily element even to ambient I think

classical music is full of rhythm, it's not danceable in the late 20th Century popular music way, although you could dance to it if you had a mind to - it's only the mores of classical music consumption that demand the audience consist of serried ranks of static upright bodies in formal clothing.

In Turkey you have light classical songs, sharki which are danceable. In india they call this semi-classical. The sharki form mutated into later arabesk, about as proletarian as turkish music gets, much more than turkish metal or psychedelic rock before that. I wager had England and America industrialised comparitively later on we'd also get strange forms that aren't all that divorced from classical. But I don't know.
 

polystyle

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[all those things like boards of canada, mouse on mars, GAS, kid 606, illbient, basic channel, phoenecia, mille plateux, ultramarine, casino vs japan, oval and herbert]

Found this grouping interesting in and of itself ...
you were discog'ing them being from the same period was the link ?

I mean hey BOC - made a world onto themselves ,
sounded good last night while we were packing up and came across -

Same for Gas - the Koln ness of it all Wolfgang and the label. Immersive

Casino Vs Japan they had a moment, somewhat next to BOC ( same time miles down from BOC's highs )

Basic Channel Boom what a next gen palate chaser when they came in

Illbient Jeez ... memories of the mico rave scenes downtown, holed up in M Gira's former rooms on E 6th. Some good things - but also spawned that one guy .

worlds behind worlds !
 

Matthew

FKA Woebot
one of you called a record i did 'ambient with beats' and it fucking wounded me.
ah ha! ok, now we're getting to the bottom of this.

dear @other_life i'm very sorry your 'ambient record with beats' was pilloried.

if i had heard it i'm certain i would have enjoyed it. it's rough having people being rude about one's work i agree.

for the record, if it wasn't clear) i don't not count myself as one of the wall-e people. i'm super phyzikal - swimming, cycling, rowing on my rowing machine. lean and lithe (or at least within my BMI hotspot ;)) - and i ASSUME that everyone on this board is also a healthy specimen. @luka doing his yoga etc. ESPECIALLY you dear chap @other_life . GABBA GABBA WE ACCEPT YOU.


so it's not like i'm talking about self-hatred here - or even board self-hatred - i'm talking about all those mysterious blahs out there who aren't like US wonderful people. who always like their ambient music WITHOUT beats :cool: straw-men to a man.

anyway. even if it's a point that's done to death i like to think that there's enough interesting ideas in there to merit reorganising the big chunky yellow bricks.

in many respects it's the same way that i appreciate middle class people slumming it.

or white people wanting to dress and behave like black folks.

or americans fetishising indian philosophy.

or women dressing as men.

intellectual music with beats is an attempt, even if always a little clumsy, to unite.
 

Matthew

FKA Woebot
[all those things like boards of canada, mouse on mars, GAS, kid 606, illbient, basic channel, phoenecia, mille plateux, ultramarine, casino vs japan, oval and herbert]

Found this grouping interesting in and of itself ...
you were discog'ing them being from the same period was the link ?
it's how i divided up my record collection when a few years back (after extensive meditation) i pulled it together in groups. that always made the most sense.

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Dusty

Tone deaf
I gave up on genres entirely a while back, and now use the genre tag as a place for the record label. It makes life much easier.

UK Techno... where do you even start there? Regis, Surgeon, but lumped in with Luke Slater?
 

Matthew

FKA Woebot
I gave up on genres entirely a while back, and now use the genre tag as a place for the record label. It makes life much easier.

UK Techno... where do you even start there? Regis, Surgeon, but lumped in with Luke Slater?
yoikes. so now i'll have to justify this! this thread is a minefield! this is only so i have some order to the crates in my study. i would spend a whole day looking for a record - sometimes missing it the first time round the horn. so i had to organise it.

uk techno - what's in there? things like the black dog, the moody boys, a guy called gerald, the aphex twin, ART, B12, WARP, The Holy Ghost, TFSOL/Jumpin&Pumpin etc
 
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