pattycakes_
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Raving raving or clubbing all together?
No Club Scene for Old Men
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Raving raving or clubbing all together?
version
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Both.
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
Any particular reason?
Mixmag is an interesting one - I think you're right that it does skew younger but whenever I read it the big pieces seem to be about club culture and drugs, the music feels almost incidental. Which I don't think is necessarily a wrong approach - people don't just go raving for the tunes, they go out to dress up, have a snog, escape their reality, etc - it just means that when the audience abandons that culture (as so many of them inevitably do as they age out of it) they don't carry the same musical interest as the people who are going for the tunes as their primary appeal.
version
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The thing with something like this is teasing out how much of it's down to your own feelings and filters, what you are and aren't reading and so on. Do I feel this stuff's fading because it is or because the stuff I connected with has? Does the state of RA or what The Guardian's telling me bear any resemblance to what's actually happening? Does a jungle or garage thing made now suffer purely because I've internalised the media narrative that those genres are "dead"?
Was looking at the 'Hardcore Continuum Autopsy' thread earlier and @Benny B had posted an old Petchy set. Occurs to me now that I was into funky at the time yet had no clue who Petchy was. All the stuff I heard was coming through Rinse and people like Brackles and Oneman, so I don't think I ever properly engaged with it. I was just getting a narrow drip feed.
The stuff @thirdform and @trilliam have said at various points about scenes, genres etc being ignored by the press, whole chunks of what actually happened being conveniently omitted from the record, comes to mind too.
Was looking at the 'Hardcore Continuum Autopsy' thread earlier and @Benny B had posted an old Petchy set. Occurs to me now that I was into funky at the time yet had no clue who Petchy was. All the stuff I heard was coming through Rinse and people like Brackles and Oneman, so I don't think I ever properly engaged with it. I was just getting a narrow drip feed.
The stuff @thirdform and @trilliam have said at various points about scenes, genres etc being ignored by the press, whole chunks of what actually happened being conveniently omitted from the record, comes to mind too.
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one thing I will say about deep tech is that it took me hearing it out, in a club and in the mix, to spark any interest. A lot of it sounds inert and sterile when you hear it as Beatport browsing music etc and that feels doubly true when you compare it to UK funky, dubstep and its spiritual ancestor speed garage, which just has so much going on in the percussion. So I can see why as a scene it was easy to overlook, and it's an argument in favour of why we need young people, who actually go out raving, being given better opportunities to cover this stuff.
Playlists are great for digging though.
I mean it is. It's why I made the switch to digital entirely. It's also why I've been talking with this developer to improve his midi to speech interface for accessibility. The whole vinyl only culture is pointless more than it is elitist now.
Part of my approach is to bring those sorts of techniques, rapid mixes, chops etc etc that ive internalised from jungle and garage mixing into the 2020s idea of eclecticism. So rather than an all encompassing eclecticism it's a hardcore eclecticism. It's not dropping a jazz funk track after a jungle track, but dropping a pitched up electro joint after a jungle track.
ive realised over the past month or so I'm not really into clubbing so much as I'm just really into electronic music, and the vanguard of that music over the past 30 years has taken place in the club.
I mean it kind of makes me gag when people talk about meeting their lovers to rui da silva - touch me in 2001. It's like, I'm not at a club to enjoy myself but to travel into an acid croaking rainforest and to be poisoned.
I mean it kind of makes me gag when people talk about meeting their lovers to rui da silva - touch me in 2001. It's like, I'm not at a club to enjoy myself but to travel into an acid croaking rainforest and to be poisoned.
wektor
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I don't think DJing is outdated, I don't think it's ever been as accessible as it is now, I know people who would go ham on 6 decks in virtual dj using hotkeys and shit.
above all, it was interesting to listen to
youngsters are still all over rym, ss, private trackers, diggin up tunes.
especially for the crowd that didn't get on 4chan when they were 12 - obviously these days it's more about promoting yourself via meme fanpage/tik tok dances/whatever else.
for people who do have a clue about making moosic/djing you have all those funny niches ie. plastician trying to keep himself relevant and afloat by making up a genre teens would bandwagon if enough of their producers friends are making it it.
above all, it was interesting to listen to
youngsters are still all over rym, ss, private trackers, diggin up tunes.
especially for the crowd that didn't get on 4chan when they were 12 - obviously these days it's more about promoting yourself via meme fanpage/tik tok dances/whatever else.
for people who do have a clue about making moosic/djing you have all those funny niches ie. plastician trying to keep himself relevant and afloat by making up a genre teens would bandwagon if enough of their producers friends are making it it.
The software is cheaper and more freely accessible but there's still issues around cost - £300 for entry-level tech is still prohibitively expensive for many people before you even factor in the cost of buying music to play on it. Plus a lot of the tech has no consideration for physical disabilities and limitations.
Sure thats why ive switched to virtual dj. It's a different type of djing compared to the long journeys of your danny tenaglias and maurice fultons or insert any other disco dj. Much closer to Jeff Mills rapid fire mixing in fact.
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Reading version's posts earlier about how kids aren't going to clubs anymore I was thinking about how many festivals there are now as a counterpoint to the idea that people aren't as interested in going to see DJs (and bands etc.). But of course that led me to thinking about how fucking expensive these festivals are these days, which presumably must price out all but the poshest kids.
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
Gentrification
festivals have never really appealed to me - the cost of a ticket versus the likelihood of actually seeing everyone you want to see, and being able to see them from a distance worth seeing them and not over the heads of 2000 other people. Of course the reason people go to festivals isn't to see acts, it's to get drunk with pals and shag a stranger in a tent, isn't it
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
What you really want is a marquee flapping in a gale on the side of a mountain near Leeds, trench-foot from a weekend spent in waterlogged boots and the mother of all comedowns just as the sky blackens and it begins to snow