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Beast of Burden
Savage
How to Decolonise the Museums
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lala
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luka
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they never are merely aesthetic objects im not sure such a thing could even exist
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Museums are fucked. No-one wants to go, not even as an out during a pandemic
The wages are shit but the status is high for a curator and entire networks are run by volunteers
Give it a year, they'll be giving everything back just to pay off the last round of pensions and to stave off being set on fire
The wages are shit but the status is high for a curator and entire networks are run by volunteers
Give it a year, they'll be giving everything back just to pay off the last round of pensions and to stave off being set on fire
luka
Well-known member
theres something chillingly nihilistic about wanting to destroy museums. it's worse even than the book burning impulse.
Nearly eighty years later the descendant of Bell’s museum was looted by organised gangs who stole artifacts from the heart of her collection. The U.S. army failed to secure the building and it was left to returning museum staff to fend off the looters for four days. This was a significant and symbolic event: a presage of the anarchy and corruption to come. Rumsfeld’s infamous response to the looting exposed the vacuum at the heart of post-war planning in a manner that chilled both opponents and supporters of the war alike: “Freedom’s untidy,” he said, “stuff happens.”
Nearly eighty years later the descendant of Bell’s museum was looted by organised gangs who stole artifacts from the heart of her collection. The U.S. army failed to secure the building and it was left to returning museum staff to fend off the looters for four days. This was a significant and symbolic event: a presage of the anarchy and corruption to come. Rumsfeld’s infamous response to the looting exposed the vacuum at the heart of post-war planning in a manner that chilled both opponents and supporters of the war alike: “Freedom’s untidy,” he said, “stuff happens.”
john eden
male pale and stale
Hackney Museum and Hackney Archives have been really good over the last decade or so at exploring the borough's links with slavery and colonialism. The Council has worked with them on consultations around renaming publicly owned place named after slave traders. It's not top of the list of anyone's priorities but it is good.
hackney.gov.uk
Review, Rename, Reclaim | Hackney Council
hackney.gov.uk
luka
Well-known member
version linked to an article by arch conservative john gray last night which said
The decomposition of the West is not only a geopolitical fact; it is also cultural and intellectual. Leading Western countries contain powerful bodies of opinion that regard their own civilisation as a uniquely pernicious force. In this hyper-liberal view, which is heavily represented in higher education, Western values of freedom and toleration mean little more than racial domination. If it still exists as a civilisational bloc, the West must be dismantled.
The decomposition of the West is not only a geopolitical fact; it is also cultural and intellectual. Leading Western countries contain powerful bodies of opinion that regard their own civilisation as a uniquely pernicious force. In this hyper-liberal view, which is heavily represented in higher education, Western values of freedom and toleration mean little more than racial domination. If it still exists as a civilisational bloc, the West must be dismantled.
luka
Well-known member
i didnt think it was a good article. i thought it was mostly shrill and demented but museums are very good and lots of very good people have worked in them and learned from them. i absolutely love museums and everything they stand for. most of that stuff wasnt even 'stolen' it was just some old tat lying around in a desert covered in layers of sand
john eden
male pale and stale
The "western civilisation" (lol) isn't a uniquely pernicious force obviously. It would be good to replace it with something better though. (Or - as Gandhi said, to actually achieve "civilisation" in the first place).
Museums are great but they don't need to be stuffed to the gills with looted objects from elsewhere. It is also great to visit museums in other countries and we do have a moral duty to make those museums better by returning this stuff to them.
Museums are great but they don't need to be stuffed to the gills with looted objects from elsewhere. It is also great to visit museums in other countries and we do have a moral duty to make those museums better by returning this stuff to them.
sus
Moderator
I think to inaugurate my new colonialism thread we should have ONE supporter of colonialism from this board list the things he dislikes about colonization and ONE anti-colonialism member list the things he likes about colonization. I do not personally identify as pro-colonization however, if called upon, I am willing to stand in and do my part