pattycakes_
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Love the Val Kilmer name drop
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john eden
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That’s great to hear, thank you.
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It's more the other way around: he came to the genre with a wealth of experience from other genres and a keen musical sensibility and let it influence him before putting a personal stamp on it.
Like Luke Vibert's Plug project.
Like Luke Vibert's Plug project.
IdleRich
IdleRich
My girlfriend used to go out with a guy from The Fall at one point. After he left, he and some other good musicians (some probably ex-Fall I think) formed a band and she saw them rehearse a few times, she said it was really tragic to watch them, all technically good but without MES there was no spark from them at all, the band was depressingly mundane.
In the book MES says that he will work with a guitarist, say, and suggest changes and tweaks and so on until the tune is finished. He says that at the end of that process in actual fact he (Mark) has created and written the song but cos of that kind of mutual process the guitarist would think that he had written it himself... he also said that the same guitarist thought he had written I Wanna Be Your Dog cos he'd kinda learned it from MES in the same way. Of course there is no way to know if that is true or not but it sounded plausible the way he said it.
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
The cost of admission.
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
As in genius steals.
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
Bit if both I'd say. There's often an inflated ego involved. Drives the motor, tends to block things out which don't serve the cause. So many people who made it big left a bunch of less driven/outgoing, but equally inventive ex friends/colleagues in their wake. Happens in the arts, the sciences etc etc. Par for the course
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
And let em have at it, I say. The law of the jungle. Provides inspiration for the rest of us
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I believe it. He was the one constant in that band and he couldn't play anything himself, read music or anything, had 60 or 70 musicians pass through the ranks and yet they always sounded like The Fall.
IdleRich
IdleRich
To be clear I believe that that description of the process was truthful, I was questioning whether the guitarist really thought that he'd written the Stooges song or if that was just something MES stuck in there to undermine his credibility (without giving him any chance to respond and defend himself) and thus further decrease any claims to artistic input he may have had.
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I've been giving this some thought and I'm not sure it really means anything. It sounds cool, but what's the actual difference? You've still got one direction for past, one for future. Unless he means all times exist simultaneously and are layered. That doesn't account for time progressing though. It's like taking a giant elevator instead of a train. You're still just moving in one direction or the other along a line. Also, what is there you need to 'punch through' if it's aligned vertically that you don't have to when it's aligned horizontally?
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IdleRich
IdleRich
Um... yes I think so, looking a the cover it looks familiar.
Some of it is clearly not true though, there was a guy who was kinda their manager/drug dealer and he´s changed that guy's name in the book for some reason. My girlfriend used to hang around with him a lot - for obvious reasons - but their relationship soured when he introduced her to a guy... let's call him.... hmmmm, how about Terry Muslim... anyway this guy Terry had a mate who had written a book about football hooliganism (he was like a Man Utd face or something) and Terry thought that it would be popular in Russia so he paid my gf to translate it (no doubt on the cheap - he sounds like a right sleaze, he'd always arrange to meet her for payment in a hotel and then "forget" his cheque book and ask her to stay over... trying to impress her by telling the same story about how he had shagged Yasmin Le Bon - later he had to suddenly break off contact with her and probably loads of other girls cos he was going through a divorce and was worried it would make him look guilty) and this petty gangster guy who managed the band suddenly decided that cos it was him who had introduced them, she owed him a cut of the money she got paid from doing the translation - he started threatening her and stuff. Pretty scary I guess.
Some of it is clearly not true though, there was a guy who was kinda their manager/drug dealer and he´s changed that guy's name in the book for some reason. My girlfriend used to hang around with him a lot - for obvious reasons - but their relationship soured when he introduced her to a guy... let's call him.... hmmmm, how about Terry Muslim... anyway this guy Terry had a mate who had written a book about football hooliganism (he was like a Man Utd face or something) and Terry thought that it would be popular in Russia so he paid my gf to translate it (no doubt on the cheap - he sounds like a right sleaze, he'd always arrange to meet her for payment in a hotel and then "forget" his cheque book and ask her to stay over... trying to impress her by telling the same story about how he had shagged Yasmin Le Bon - later he had to suddenly break off contact with her and probably loads of other girls cos he was going through a divorce and was worried it would make him look guilty) and this petty gangster guy who managed the band suddenly decided that cos it was him who had introduced them, she owed him a cut of the money she got paid from doing the translation - he started threatening her and stuff. Pretty scary I guess.