vimothy

yurp
my impression of mmt is that they have a good understanding of the operational side of banking and monetary policy, but that they confuse this with a theory of the macroeconomy. the most obvious take away from mmt is that govts who issue their own currency can spend as much as they like is true to some degree but not massively helpful, since maximising aggregate demand is not the be all and end all of macro policy.
 

vimothy

yurp
How does deficit spending factor into inflation? Or are there too many other variables to single out this correlation?
in terms measuring a simple effect, but if you think that increased demand increases inflationary "pressure", then the general effect of deficit spending must be inflationary even if it doesnt lead to inflation (due to eg the effect of other vatiables)
 

william_kent

Well-known member
Crypto Startup That Wants to Scan Everyone’s Eyeballs Is Having Some Trouble

The imaging is operationally complex and has to be done in person by one of Worldcoin’s contractors, who they call “Worldcoin distributors” or more colorfully, “orb operators.” The orb is held up to someone’s face while they gaze into its cameras. The act of imaging can make for an unsettling scene: The silver sphere speaks in a calm female voice and says, “Initiating scan. Open your eyes.” Sometimes, the machine advises, “Move a bit closer.” For the reading to work well, the person getting scanned has to stare into the camera with eyes wide open, showing as much of the eye’s white as possible, for around 10 seconds or longer. Once it’s complete, the registered person can choose to have a small amount of Worldcoin added to a digital wallet as a reward for signing up.

The biometric-data system is designed to block fraud, but people still tried. Someone attempted to scan the eyeballs of a Chihuahua dog
 

toko

Well-known member
in terms measuring a simple effect, but if you think that increased demand increases inflationary "pressure", then the general effect of deficit spending must be inflationary even if it doesnt lead to inflation (due to eg the effect of other vatiables)
reserve status is a big example, we can deficit spend and get other countries to pay for it bc companies countries need dollars and dollar denominated bonds. ofc that leads to other issues like trade deficits insofar as production becomes more expensive with strong dollar
 

toko

Well-known member
honestly i've given up on trying to understand macro. It's easy to understand the basic principles of macro but in real life there are so many competing signals I've sort of given up trying to understand it. so many macro guru's offering their take on the world econ but i honestly think no one knows what really goes on and people just invent narratives to explain why and how the economy moves the way it does.
 

toko

Well-known member
it doesn't help that financial and econ indicators are so hyperstitioinal n belief driven. for example supply driven inflation can lead to employees asking for more wages creating higher inflation expectations etc etc.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
honestly i've given up on trying to understand macro. It's easy to understand the basic principles of macro but in real life there are so many competing signals I've sort of given up trying to understand it. so many macro guru's offering their take on the world econ but i honestly think no one knows what really goes on and people just invent narratives to explain why and how the economy moves the way it does.
Yeah I'm under the impression its just not a hard science yet. Its seems to inherit the ambiguity of other soft sciences likes psychology.

That said, enough technological innovation may carry macroeconomics toward being a hard science. Just seems like we'd need a considerably more advanced surveillance state (zero knowledge Orwellianism, anyone?), and we'd need psychology to be more of a hard science, rather than just assume microeconomic agents are always rationally profit-maximizing.
 

toko

Well-known member
Yeah I'm under the impression its just not a hard science yet. Its seems to inherit the ambiguity of other soft sciences likes psychology.

That said, enough technological innovation may carry macroeconomics toward being a hard science. Just seems like we'd need a considerably more advanced surveillance state (zero knowledge Orwellianism, anyone?), and we'd need psychology tto be more of a hard science, rather than just assume microeconomic agents are always rationally profit-maximizing.
"zero knowledge orwellianism" i like that. but I'm inclined to disagree here. imo hard sciences are in part hard because the subject under study does not change its behavior when being observed and theorized about. the problem with macro is that theory is inherently intertwined with broader political/social considerations because theory modifies behavior. that is to say, theory becomes socially/politically motivated insofar as it has behavioral implications, (even if value netural) in general any true proposition you make about the economy is way too contingent on other factors.
 

toko

Well-known member
you would be totally right if it was merely a problem of complexity. with enough data we would be able to predict pretty accurately. but i think there are other considerations that make it very hard.

not to say that the field can't improve. but I dont think it will ever quite be as "hard" as physics and other fields for reasons stated above.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
"zero knowledge orwellianism" i like that. but I'm inclined to disagree here. imo hard sciences are in part hard because the subject under study does not change its behavior when being observed and theorized about. the problem with macro is that theory is inherently intertwined with broader political/social considerations because theory modifies behavior. in general any true proposition you make about the economy is way too contingent on other factors.
Yeah thats a good point. My basis of hard/soft science was just based on the degree of ambiguity that the discourse harbors, but the object of study itself being transformed by the process of studying, certainly adds a ton more ambiguity.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
you would be totally right if it was merely a problem of complexity. with enough data we would be able to predict pretty accurately. but i think there are other considerations that make it very hard.

not to say that the field can't improve. but I dont think it will ever quite be as "hard" as physics and other fields for reasons stated above.
Yeah I agree that it won't become as hard as physics. At least, I'd be deeply surprised if at some point in our evolution we are able to engineer societies with the programmatic nonchalance with which we currently engineer televisions.
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
i know everyone was really impressed by my crypto investing strategy, i got a load of DMs asking me how i did it, how could i understand this stuff well enough to make a cool $1000 for doing nothing whatsoever. anyway you'll all be pleased to know that i've now lost all of that
 
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