The Scapegoat

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luka said:
the accursed share is a good idea. its not really philosophy though. i wouldnt bother reading the whole book though, just
read what the idea is.
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There's an urbanomic paper where he explains the gist and it sounded pretty good.
 
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I guess, but this felt moreso. He ended a chapter talking about different stages of catastrophe, from natural to manufactured to pre-programmed, and said we're at the second stage (it was published in '92) which is when they're foreseeable. The third stage is deliberate and experimental, a direct result of trying to avoid the first stage, the natural catastrophe, because we can't bear to have our end dictated by anyone but us.
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I've never read Baudrillard actually, not in any sustained way.

So what do you mean, we're stage 3 now? Where we have to say the pandemic is man made cos we can't stand the idea of anything natural finishing us off?
 
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He also talks about all of history being dug up, interrogated and recycled to try and purge the collective guilt, white people eventually renouncing their whiteness and how the West feeds on the misery of the rest of the world, spiritually as well as economically.

The stuff Mark talks about in Capitalist Realism about cultural artifacts, art and so on being locked away in museums is in there too and a load of stuff about how the news deals with events and how the west can't export its values anywhere because it no longer really believes in them itself.
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Sounds about right I suppose. Has he got any solutions or do we just have to wait it out?
 
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catalog said:
So what do you mean, we're stage 3 now? Where we have to say the pandemic is man made cos we can't stand the idea of anything natural finishing us off?
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It's a possibility. I'm leaning toward the pandemic response being the catastrophe in this instance though. The virus may have been manufactured, but it makes more sense to me to consider the virus the natural catastrophe and our attempts to control it via vaccines, vaccine passports, beating up protesters etc as the third-stage catastrophe.
 
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Well possibly I suppose. But maybe it will be all over in another year or two, like all other pandemics throughout human history.
 
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There's an interesting bit where he suggests our relentless mining of the past will result in the dead outnumbering the living and that the same will eventually happen with "computing matter" and AI.
 
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luka said:
the pandemic has provided cover and sped up the process
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Yeah maybe. But for some people, it's also accelerated stuff in a good way. Like working from home. But maybe that is just a passing temporary bliss situation.
 
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im not particularly paranoid i dont think. i do use paranoia as a way of scoping out the possibilities. like it says in carlitos way once you cant see the angles, youre finished.
 
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There's an interesting bit where he suggests our relentless mining of the past will result in the dead outnumbering the living and that the same will eventually happen with "computing matter" and AI.
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It does all sound a bit familiar and I suppose thoroughly gone over with k punk, repeater etc.
 
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