Definition of Rockism

[Elan]

And his great album, Hounds of Mass Destruction...

 

[D84]

Rockism and "authenticity"

I just saw this quote from the "Choosing your pub" page from the "Social Issues Research Centre" and remembered some of the points raised in this thread

Research findings: Most of the tourists we interviewed were keen to find a ‘typical British pub’. American tourists were particularly obsessed with this question of authenticity, wanting to be constantly reassured that the pub they were in, the beer, the food – and even the barman – were ‘typically British’. Bar staff, generally a tolerant breed, found these persistent enquiries amusing, sometimes even endearing. Being anxious to please the customer, they almost invariably answered “oh yes, very typical”.​

http://www.sirc.org/publik/ptpchap2.html

 

[thirdform]

It's all about using machines to do things humans can't. Otherwise, why not just use humans? There's a place for the human element in music, and all kinds of music (jazz, rock, folk, classical) sound dull if assimilated by machines. If you wan't your machine music to be great, you should not try to make it sound human, you should use it's non-human potential, or it'll just be a bad imitation, nowhere as good as the "real" thing.

I like a lot of different kinds of music, and I'm interested in finding out why I like rave music so much, and I've found out that it isn't beacuse of some kind of "essence" that is also in rock. I don't think I have any higher moral ground, I just think that the idea of some kind of rock continuum, with rave as an incarnation of the rock essence, is wrong - it's a preference I've no problem with belitteling.

@shiels read this smart Danish man.

 

[thirdform]

I basically agree with your points above, but it's not really about sounds either. In a sense, a violin or a flute is a kind of "technology" producing sounds that a human can't make by itself. What I'm talking about is sequencers playing, their inorganic, unnatural tightness. It's not that I don't like "organic" music, on the contrary, I think the chemistry and interplay of an orchestra (from a full blown symphony to a guitar, bass and drums set up) can be deeply fascinating, but that effect is not in sequnced music. I remember a music teacher I once had, explaining how the interaction between players worked and "that's why techno pop doesn't breathe" (techno pop being the only kind of electronic music he knew). That was meant as a critique of sequenced rhythm, but to me it was a kind of revelation: "yes, it doesn't breathe, and that's what's so fascination about it". Why should music have to breathe? Somehow, that seemed like my teachers "rockist" essence.

@craner

 

[shakahislop]

Rockism and "authenticity"

I just saw this quote from the "Choosing your pub" page from the "Social Issues Research Centre" and remembered some of the points raised in this thread

Research findings: Most of the tourists we interviewed were keen to find a ‘typical British pub’. American tourists were particularly obsessed with this question of authenticity, wanting to be constantly reassured that the pub they were in, the beer, the food – and even the barman – were ‘typically British’. Bar staff, generally a tolerant breed, found these persistent enquiries amusing, sometimes even endearing. Being anxious to please the customer, they almost invariably answered “oh yes, very typical”.​

http://www.sirc.org/publik/ptpchap2.html

D84 potentially might not reply to this, although maybe the reason he skulked off in 2005 was because no-one responded to his message and perhaps he'll come bounding back like a red setter now that there's a response, but this is a really noticable quirk of americans doing tourism (including in america) and, also, of eating food (including in america) and i have no idea where it comes from or what happened to make this such an enduring and widespread desire.

 

[thirdform]

D84 potentially might not reply to this, although maybe the reason he skulked off in 2005 was because no-one responded to his message and perhaps he'll come bounding back like a red setter now that there's a response, but this is a really noticable quirk of americans doing tourism (including in america) and, also, of eating food (including in america) and i have no idea where it comes from or what happened to make this such an enduring and widespread desire.

It's not an endearing quirk its genocidal settler ideology fam.

 

[IdleRich]

D84 potentially might not reply to this, although maybe the reason he skulked off in 2005 was because no-one responded to his message and perhaps he'll come bounding back like a red setter now that there's a response, but this is a really noticable quirk of americans doing tourism (including in america) and, also, of eating food (including in america) and i have no idea where it comes from or what happened to make this such an enduring and widespread desire.

As I endearingly said of our Georgian meal yesterday

Anyway, we were all pleased to learn that according to Luka it is the real deal and so we can relax knowing that the food we like is proper Georgian and we can count ourselves as connoisseurs and gourmands, rather than philistines who were foolishly tricked into liking something that wasn't even real!

nb I refer here to my friend Luka from Georgia, not my deadly enemy Luka from London.

 

[shakahislop]

@IdleRich, @thirdform, would you rather fight a hundred duck-sized lukas or one horse-sized idle_rich?

 

[forclosure]

@IdleRich, @thirdform, would you rather fight a hundred duck-sized lukas or one horse-sized idle_rich?

give me the duck sized lukas AND the horse sized idle_rich i'll take all of them on