Euro 2020

[luka]

i used to have a blog called degreadation ceremony. i loved the phrase as soon as i saw it. and it feels as though all english culture
revolves around this. in the absence of pleasure. not being able to locate pleasure. too subtle an emanation to tune into

 

[version]

There's a siege mentality to the English, and I guess Britain as a whole. A perpetual state of going down swinging. We've abandoned hope in favour of taking everyone down with us, or at least inflicting as much carnage as possible. A Rorke's Drift mindset.

 

[luka]

There's a siege mentality to the English, and I guess Britain as a whole. A perpetual state of going down swinging. We've abandoned hope in favour of taking everyone down with us, or at least inflicting as much carnage as possible. A Rorke's Drift mindset.

you do get a maybe more concentrated sense of what england is there, becasue the continent is only 20 miles away. england as opposition,
england as defended fortress, england with its back against the wall, england as vulnerable

this is true but you do see this mentality in other angloid countries particualrly australia. i always remember an australian friend talking about being with his friends, shitting in the sea and throwing the shit at one another

 

[version]

It doesn't seem as prominent in New Zealand and Canada, but maybe I just haven't paid close enough attention.

 

[luka]

transgression is important here, demolishing psychic social emotional restraints

 

[luka]

It doesn't seem as prominent in New Zealand and Canada, but maybe I just haven't paid close enough attention.

not as much i agree but perhaps the repression is stronger there

 

[version]

transgression is important here, demolishing psychic social emotional restraints

Barty's thing about British body horror sexuality.

 

[luka]

me and barty are both fascinated by your brother for this reason really. emblematic of something

 

[version]

You could see it when Britain responded to Jackass with Dirty Sanchez. There was a squalor to it and greater emphasis on bodily functions.

 

[luka]

and not being able to perform sick skateboard tricks

 

[luka]

sticking a finger up a birds arse then smearing her shit over her upper lip to create a moustache. a dirty sanchez.

 

[luka]

they were welsh, like @olivercraner

 

[version]

they were welsh, like @olivercraner

Three of them were Welsh, but the most disgusting one, the one who played around with his shit and ate his own vomit, was, of course, English.

 

[luka]

i do think enjoyment is very difficult. i dont claim to be able to enjoy myself. i dont think i can. im english. its like walking a tightrope.

 

[luka]

this is not something i can do and im not sure ive met anyone that can do it.

 

[luka]

i was saying to that cunt corpsey ive just gone on a holiday that was really just pain, pure pain and penance. walking for miles up the coast for no reason. that is not enjoyment. but its the closest i can come to satisfaction. really severely painful. bruised and battered.

 

[Simon silverdollarcircle]

I don't know what comes first, what is cause and what is effect, but in my mind the thing you're talking about is very closely related to our innate ugliness as British people *


Like I'm not sure you can have a truly happy country, that experiences collective pleasure and takes it for its birthright , if it also feels itself to be ugly.

And I think a lot of that transgressive behaviour of pissing on your mates kebab and then throwing it at a bus or whatever, is like this embrace, a celebration, of, our innate ugliness. Like the pleasure dome has been denied us, the velvet rope pulled across, so we take the piss and fling shit at each other from outside

*I don't mean us lot of course. We're gorgeous. I mean the masses.

 

[luka]

what barty said about sex plays into this. english people incapable of enjoying sex unless it is centred around some werid ritual of abasement and humiliation

 

[version]

You can't look past the impact of being a fallen empire now contained to a small island.

 

[luka]

well you do mean us we are really absolutely hideous. you have a point but then you have to winder why the infection spreads to the aussies who are all 6'2, rippling muscles, tanned etc