The Life of a True Disciple of Hip Hop

rubberdingyrapids

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i remember harry love having a bit of a buzz at one point.
i saw him once on a night bus. his GF looked nice.

found it hard to listen to this.
couldnt find the entry point.

idk if i care enough, but i know these guys meant something to people into ukhh. or people invested in/active in the ukhh scene at least.

ok i have edited this message about five times as i literally have nothing to say about it.
 

catalog

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hip hop is very self actualising isn't it. you need to have tremendous self will and confidence to get it to work. whereas english culture is all about understatement and taking the piss. i think the french do it better cos they've got that pride in a way that that the english don't... that's why the jungle is so good, cos you can hide your imagination behind a cool picture
 

rubberdingyrapids

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Maybe this is a sign that deep down you have too much to say about it.
possibly.
tbh i know lots of people like to take potshots at UKHH, and i get it, i remember that vice piece or was it an nme piece on skinnyman that totally derided the scene as it was all nerdy looking m/c white guys, which ofc were a big part of it, but thats not really true, and even if it was, i dont see anyone totally disregarding all those white blues guys from the 60s (or do they? i know i cant stand a lot of rolling stones songs partly for that reason (mainly as it just lacks gravitas and sounds like panto blues), but maybe thats just me). but to those people in the scene, small as it might have been, it did mean something. and most other niche scenes seem to get given more understanding.
that said i never listen to any of this stuff.
i used to hate shopping in deal real, i only did it as there was no choice. i dont miss that kind of nerdy aggression.
ukhh i think is actually quite good instrumental-wise. producers like the creators, they were good. jehst was a really good producer (this album by someone else on his label i def recommend: https://www.discogs.com/Telemachus-In-The-Evening/release/4682080). if ty's albums had a different voice/rapper, id prob like them more. id actually suggest a reappraisal of ukhh production (not all of it obv).
theres something i find annoying about a lot of ukhh voices, i warm to the sincerity, but i also hate that sort of earnestness, that kind of preachiness mixed with a kind of sub-cormega whine/moaniness that i think is meant to pass for vulnerability, and then theres the voices in this video, but i hate them for a different reason, not sure what just now.
 
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thirdform

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hip hop is very self actualising isn't it. you need to have tremendous self will and confidence to get it to work. whereas english culture is all about understatement and taking the piss. i think the french do it better cos they've got that pride in a way that that the english don't... that's why the jungle is so good, cos you can hide your imagination behind a cool picture

Maybe. A lot of it is acting though. Americans don't really get sad, they're too sheltered from the rest of the world for that. a huge land mass with loads of open space but that's your world. Whereas I can be in France or Germany in an hour.
 

thirdform

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Britcore was naive if not all that technically good (which is why I rate it) and badly perhaps, attempting to rip off Rakim. later 90s UK HH dispensed with all that naivete and tried to have a British take on skunk paranoia. But of course jungle and hardcore were going to excel in that. Claustrophobia necessitates speed.
 
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