The Life of a True Disciple of Hip Hop

rubberdingyrapids

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i remember harry love having a bit of a buzz at one point.
i saw him once on a night bus. his GF looked nice.

found it hard to listen to this.
couldnt find the entry point.

idk if i care enough, but i know these guys meant something to people into ukhh. or people invested in/active in the ukhh scene at least.

ok i have edited this message about five times as i literally have nothing to say about it.
 

catalog

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hip hop is very self actualising isn't it. you need to have tremendous self will and confidence to get it to work. whereas english culture is all about understatement and taking the piss. i think the french do it better cos they've got that pride in a way that that the english don't... that's why the jungle is so good, cos you can hide your imagination behind a cool picture
 

rubberdingyrapids

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Maybe this is a sign that deep down you have too much to say about it.
possibly.
tbh i know lots of people like to take potshots at UKHH, and i get it, i remember that vice piece or was it an nme piece on skinnyman that totally derided the scene as it was all nerdy looking m/c white guys, which ofc were a big part of it, but thats not really true, and even if it was, i dont see anyone totally disregarding all those white blues guys from the 60s (or do they? i know i cant stand a lot of rolling stones songs partly for that reason (mainly as it just lacks gravitas and sounds like panto blues), but maybe thats just me). but to those people in the scene, small as it might have been, it did mean something. and most other niche scenes seem to get given more understanding.
that said i never listen to any of this stuff.
i used to hate shopping in deal real, i only did it as there was no choice. i dont miss that kind of nerdy aggression.
ukhh i think is actually quite good instrumental-wise. producers like the creators, they were good. jehst was a really good producer (this album by someone else on his label i def recommend: https://www.discogs.com/Telemachus-In-The-Evening/release/4682080). if ty's albums had a different voice/rapper, id prob like them more. id actually suggest a reappraisal of ukhh production (not all of it obv).
theres something i find annoying about a lot of ukhh voices, i warm to the sincerity, but i also hate that sort of earnestness, that kind of preachiness mixed with a kind of sub-cormega whine/moaniness that i think is meant to pass for vulnerability, and then theres the voices in this video, but i hate them for a different reason, not sure what just now.
 
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thirdform

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hip hop is very self actualising isn't it. you need to have tremendous self will and confidence to get it to work. whereas english culture is all about understatement and taking the piss. i think the french do it better cos they've got that pride in a way that that the english don't... that's why the jungle is so good, cos you can hide your imagination behind a cool picture

Maybe. A lot of it is acting though. Americans don't really get sad, they're too sheltered from the rest of the world for that. a huge land mass with loads of open space but that's your world. Whereas I can be in France or Germany in an hour.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Britcore was naive if not all that technically good (which is why I rate it) and badly perhaps, attempting to rip off Rakim. later 90s UK HH dispensed with all that naivete and tried to have a British take on skunk paranoia. But of course jungle and hardcore were going to excel in that. Claustrophobia necessitates speed.
 

catalog

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Maybe. A lot of it is acting though. Americans don't really get sad, they're too sheltered from the rest of the world for that. a huge land mass with loads of open space but that's your world. Whereas I can be in France or Germany in an hour.
I think up until recently, the national geography, topography, history and economy gave Americans access to a greater pop imagination than the rest of the world.
 

woops

is not like other people
I had a look but

I'm busy at work
It's lovely outside
This is 2 hours of Killer Kela talking to Harry Love in a kitchen.
is this the least @Corpsey post ever? one whiff of UK rap and he is a sunlight loving, dutiful employee with no time to waste on the internet
 

forclosure

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What struck me from the Harry Love podcast was his honesty / how it seemed (relative) success hadn't brought happiness for him. I'm guessing he never saw the full financial fruits of his labours from Low Life Records (clue's in the name)

Kela knows a lot of his guests well so they are relaxed and speak freely with him. This is another goodun:

Farma's a funny one cause these days i see he's making beats with all the Roc Marciano influenced guys, Mach Hommy, Rome Steetz, Daniel Son that crowd

i mean good for him glad that he's still getting work was a genuine surprise to see that my guy from Task Force was working with those people and yeah it does come off that way like cause UK rap has money and admittedly the bar for talents been raised alot a whole era that was visibles been written outright and hardly anybody cares to really rectifty it.

Only thing that i can compare it to is hair/glam metal but UK hip hop NEVER had the kind of popularity and flame out the way hair metal did
 

forclosure

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FWIW. It must be hard to stake your life on street culture and then get old.
you ever watch any Queenzflip interviews Danny? from what i know he's a internet comedian of sorts but he was also close friends with the late Stack Bundles, he interviews rappers from time to time and even had Jake the Snake roberts on there but alot of his stuff is interviews with these "street legends" , guys who really don't have anything to do with rap as far as the music but if you're somebody who really cares about whether they've actually killed people and sold coke its "essential"

Alot of these guys in their 40s and older talking about old beefs they had or how they were down with the bloods before bloods were a thing in NY that kind of thing


 

forclosure

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I still think the best question i ever heard regarding UK hip hop was from this one Irish breh who said "doesn't it speak to the inherent confidence that these people have in their own music that they feel they have to put "UK" at the beginning of everything?"

I think it's brilliant and a real thing to ponder on cause it doesn't just go at hip hop it implicates ALOT of other genres and sounds that sprang from here that have that exact title...funky,hard house, drill(which shows how this is still ongoing) even garage although i feel like you could debate that one
 

woops

is not like other people
I still think the best question i ever heard regarding UK hip hop was from this one Irish breh who said "doesn't it speak to the inherent confidence that these people have in their own music that they feel they have to put "UK" at the beginning of everything?"

I think it's brilliant and a real thing to ponder on cause it doesn't just go at hip hop it implicates ALOT of other genres and sounds that sprang from here that have that exact title...funky,hard house, drill(which shows how this is still ongoing) even garage although i feel like you could debate that one
not a question ever asked about chicago house, detroit techno, miami bass, northern soul, french house, etc

edit i agree with the irish man, just sayin
 
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