Toward a Mythos of Extropy

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Precisely, and gauging success based on how it gradually makes you feel. If successful, it can be an end in itself, or it can be a means, a poise, a readiness, for further psychic advancement.
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
We are titans of phantasmagorical complexity, extropic constructs of nature, stewards of our own destiny.

Something to that effect, I think, may be a good taste of a new mythos, a culture to underpin and integrate our ongoing efforts of science and humanism.

A twofold goal, not solely humanistic but partially so, the other part being the advancement of stable, ordered matter through and beyond humans, yet not in directions that come at the expense of human welfare. A plurality of potential equilibria to be discerned and decided as best we can.

Optimizing human fulfillment, which requires basic enfranchisement and economic inclusion, can be both an end in itself and a means for advancing science.

Advancing science, which requires basic enfranchisement and economic inclusion, can be both an end in itself and a means for optimizing human fulfillment.

A collection of concrete and maximally actionable frontiers, pertaining to all relevant sectors of human enterprise, which is to say virtually all sectors of human enterprise. I'm still too early on in this education to define sufficiently concrete directions, but this thread will provide occasion to try.

The state can be a facilitator between private capital and public welfare, in the interest of optimizing human fulfillment as both an end itself and a means for more robust economic activity, which would be both a means for optimizing human welfare and a means for advancing science, which is both an end in itself and a means for optimizing human welfare. Virtuously overlapping circularities, ad infinitum.

Challenge the dichotomy (to call it false is to imply there are true dichotomies, as opposed to pragmatic yet ultimately "shelvable" ones) of the state as either the tool of the 1% to safeguard and silo private capital, or the tool of the 99% to seize and spend private capital. Both are suboptimal, as far as I can tell.

I believe the 1% clearly possesses the bulk of the fuel needed for rapid, systematic advancement of human welfare, fuel which may be operationalized provided such advancement does not run against the grain of financial incentive (see "opportunity zones" as legislated by Booker/Scott/Kind), which for our purposes may be considered a force of nature.

What are the technical and political prospects of establishing an inverse correlation between official power and financial privacy? Can more robustly transparent means of accountability be financially, systematically incentivized? Can public service be programatically rehabilitated as more of a vocation, and less of a career? Is not a more integrated and fluid global economy in the interest of the 1%, at least those who intend maximal mobilization of capital?

Those who wish otherwise, to silo their would-be capital off-shore or otherwise, are suboptimal capitalists in my mind, and perhaps stand to be inspired accordingly. Perhaps it is pure risk aversion, crisis insurance, or some other sound strategy, in which case perhaps some degree of siloing of private capital is negligible.

If such governmental accountability can be technically achieved, might that afford greater trust in pubic servants? What portion of the present distrust stems from insufficient civic education, and the added mystification of the role of government as if it was a unified and coherent unit? What portion stems from actual corruption? Should the state be structured primarily for the expressed purposes of protecting citizens, and of brokering between private capital and public welfare? Does this seem like an organic progression of the logic of neoliberalism - one that the top capitalist libertarians may even support given proper caveats?

How much of governmental power is bureaucratic, procedural power? And how much of this bureaucratic procedure can be outsourced to algorithms, specifically smart contracts, which may prove harder to corrupt than humans? Consider the prospects of an algorithmically driven recruitment protocol, that dynamically weighs recruitment rates for applicants of different demographics, based on how the present demographic breakdown of the governmental body in question relates to that of the population most broadly?

Could such things mitigate systemic prejudice, conscious or otherwise, and free human agents to make decisions on a more purely creative basis, a basis more conducive to humanism?

Can a global hegemony be maintained primarily through diplomacy and posturing of force, perhaps resorting to economic acts of condemnation when deemed necessary? How realistic is it to demand a world order free of hegemony of any polarity?

Science is already a grand testament to global, humanist cooperation (ITER, LHC) - what are the prospects of a global politics engineered around scientific cooperation? It seems that sentiment is ostensibly taking hold already.

What actors and industries, specifically, stand in the way of the liberalization of capitalism? The transition from single-bottom-line to triple-bottom-line, from a linear economy to a circular economy, is obstructed by whom? Where do their incentives lie, and how may they be aligned?

What is the cure to parochiality? Does it consist, at least partially, of the reorientation of content recommendation algorithms, so as to incrementally preclude echo chambers that reinforce parochial standpoints?

Are such standpoints situationally unavoidable? That is to say, who under which circumstances find themselves unable to balance their interests with global interests, and to what degree is this inability out of necessity, and to what degree is it out of stubbornness?

Where and when the procurement of nourishment is threatened by ongoing technological trends of automation and disintermediation, what avenues of value production remain, and which may be enabled by said trends themselves? What is the ceiling, in terms of diversity and multitude, in the market of content production, either artistic or scientific? How many niche, crowdfunded content providers may our global cultural economy permit? How many may one consumer be expected to subscribe to, and at what price?

How feasible is it to unlock the inner scientist and/or artist in every human? Is Maslow's pyramid quantifiable and enforceable as a progression of material circumstance, political circumstance, psychological circumstance? How may such a systematic and holistic progression be administered, along which metrics and by which means, so as to better position more humans to passionately contribute to human culture and welfare?

And once such a state is reached wherein 99% of humans enjoy material circumstances sufficient to afford their pursuit of passions, may we reasonably assume that such passions will in some way contribute to the economy of content, artistic and/or scientific, so as to maximize the sustainability of such a state of affairs?

If we may not reasonably assume this, what work needs to be done to redefine our general notion of fulfillment - substantial and sustainable fulfillment as opposed to strictly short-term and insubstantial fulfillment that leaves many of us feeling hollow and lost in some meaningless existence? How may the adolescent phase of short-term satisfaction at the cost of long-term well-being be programatically and systematically overcome?

Might there be a role here for a new mythos? A new global culture to inspire those who have accepted the cancellation of the future, and to reawaken a belief in humanity? How should this engineering of mythos be gone about?

I am inclined to divide such an effort into aesthetics and values. What already manages to captivate the imagination of mass numbers of humans? With whom, or with which characters, do sympathies tend to align? How may we leverage both the wisdom of antiquity and the fascination with frontiers?

What are the aesthetics of complexity, of extropy? A stack of natural architecture across spacescales that span below and above our sensory bandwidth, activity unfolding at timescales too fast and too slow for us to directly apprehend. Dances too brief for our photoreceptive framerate to capture, galaxies of presently unobservable mass. A breathtakingly intricate weaving of light and heat along dimensions we may only strive to contrive the means to observe, and even partially at that. A sort of narrative that transcends our imagination, yet alone our articulation of it, and thus promises virtually infinite fuel for its inspiration.

What are the values of complexity, of extropy? That there may well be no end to advancement, no shortage of new landscapes to traverse, no ceiling to what our technology may enable, if even firstly for what lucky few of us? That extropy, defined as something like the degree to which the equilibrium of a system permits order - that some valleys stand higher than other valleys - may also have no ceiling, no upper bound of potential, and that by extension the cosmos may perennially combust some patches of order amidst the fabric of relative disorder? That we are our own salvation? That under certain sustained thermodynamic conditions, amino acids may be catalyzed from baser molecules by ionic storms, and persist long enough to construct through further conditional catalysis into nucleotides and finally into nucleic acids, announcing the arrival of a certain sort of information and the incipience of a certain sort of intelligence? That our present knowledge is always a fraction of what it will be? That the unknown unknown holds treasure and tragedy alike, in keeping with all frontiers we've fared thus far?

To my knowledge, barring catastrophe, the thing that best ensures the cancellation of the future is the lethargy that such a declaration inspires.

In a John Kennedy voice
 

luka

Well-known member
Precisely, and gauging success based on how it gradually makes you feel. If successful, it can be an end in itself, or it can be a means, a poise, a readiness, for further psychic advancement.
ive been in the position of feeling like ive got it, im right there, at the crest of the evolutionary wave, doing just what i should be doing
and it feels good. and ive been in the position of sort of killing myself, poisoning myself and its all life, regardless
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Incidentally I am interested in public service myself, but I sense this is too arcane for an elected office. Maybe something appointed, or better yet some fixture in the bureaucracy that endures political wind changes.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
ive been in the position of feeling like ive got it, im right there, at the crest of the evolutionary wave, doing just what i should be doing
and it feels good. and ive been in the position of sort of killing myself, poisoning myself and its all life, regardless
What do you think about the alternative to the ebb/flow paradigm? That is, a more or less enduring equanimity? One you could wear to work, so to speak.
 

luka

Well-known member
it upsets me as a poet, say, that i cant be constantly productive at the highest level. but at the same time im not convinced that there
is a solution to this problem. as corpsey will tell you you can only wank so many times in one night. there are inbuilt limits.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
I think there are parameters that we are more or less subject to, but I think there are always avenues for advancement, for circumnavigating these parameters, sometimes just requiring a redefinition of advancement, a newly informed definition.

Similar to the point on wanking, I am trying to see how many hours per day I can watch lectures. Tuesday was focused on statecraft and law, and I got in a record 5 hours and 45 minutes of more or less undivided attention to people speaking. Such a span would have been infeasible a matter of months ago.

So when the limit is neared, which lets say is 8 hours a day, then the avenue of advancement shifts from quantity to quality. Not working to squeeze in more lectures, but rather opting for more technical lectures. Rubbing up against the limits there would mean I have reached the frontiers of that given discourse, and would conceivably be able to contribute in some capacity.

And even then, the limits aren;t fixed, they just need to be pushed. Whereas, you cannot push more hours into a day, past a certain point.

So the commitment to ever higher levels of productivity, in my case, is aided by strategies of incentivization. By recording this data as daily quotas, which i am also starting to do with exercise and nutrition data, one may feel more motivated to keep up their streak.

That said, I still fall into patterns of relatively unproductive and unfulfilling activity, like playing Fallout 76 - which impressively captures incentive, in my opinion.

But feeling too guilty for not being productive (which I understand is a widespread anxiety), or feeling so exhausted as to become susceptible to certain relapses, are all to be taken into account, no?
 
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Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
But I do generally agree with the boom and bust point on libidinal economy. Although I've largely managed to abstract my passion from its ostensibly default physiology, if you catch my drift.
 

luka

Well-known member
yes you are an extreme case and interesting for that reason but we all have these battles with ourselves
 

luka

Well-known member
i did dmt almost every day multiple times a day for a few years wanting to learn everything there is and it was great i highly recommend it. but im no longer that person and a lot of the memories are state specific so im not sure how much has been retained or is availbale to the person i am now
 

luka

Well-known member
i dont know. a lot of the time i look at the world in a similar way to you but when you put it down in writing another part of me feels obliged to dissent. does that make sense?
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Thats one idea of a major checkpoint in these pursuits. This way, you can continue to engage with yourself and endure the tumult that seems to come with the territory of fundamental progression, but without exhausting yourself or becoming demotivated.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
i dont know. a lot of the time i look at the world in a similar way to you but when you put it down in writing another part of me feels obliged to dissent. does that make sense?
I would be somewhat disappointed if you didn't feel that way. It would entail a decline of a certain rate of progress.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
I'm sure several of us here would argue that is why, or at least partially why, you are good at what you do.
 
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