Death to America

[sus]

This idea of a invasion of the US is bizarre and like a cartoon (though it's terrifying to think of how the US military exploits it) and irrelevant to modern geopolitics/warfare since ww2

I hope so! I hope our children and their children and theirs never have to be conquered. It's 70 years of relative peace against all of human history.

 

[version]

Sorta; my point is that demographic arms races *just happen*; we can choose to play the game or not, but if we do not play, we will be outcompeted.

What do you make of this?

India states considering two-child policy and incentives for sterilisation

Uttar Pradesh, Assam and Gujarat have announced draft legislation which would see anyone with more than two children denied benefits and in some cases jobs

www.theguardian.com

 

[sufi]

Maybe of interest: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/BY5...what-war-between-the-usa-and-china-would-look

and: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Btr...-care-about-catastrophic-and-existential-risk

Drone armies are already here, shit's getting crazy. We're in the next generation of warfare: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.114.591&rep=rep1&type=pdf

this is pornography
do you remember how the USSR bankrupted on foreign wars and amazing weapons? China is sitting back and watching the US follow the same path

 

[sus]

What do you make of this?

India states considering two-child policy and incentives for sterilisation

Uttar Pradesh, Assam and Gujarat have announced draft legislation which would see anyone with more than two children denied benefits and in some cases jobs

www.theguardian.com

Well, India has a billion people. Their short-term situation is one thing; the long-term growth logic is another.

China was in a similar boat in previous decades, and now they've lifted those laws.

 

[sufi]

I hope so! I hope our children and their children and theirs never have to be conquered. It's 70 years of relative peace against all of human history.

bless you

 

[Clinamenic]

Generations of warfare - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Edit: below is a podcast series, not a text.

The Kremlin Playbook | CSIS Podcasts

In 2016, a rival foreign power, Vladimir Putin’s Russia, launched an attack on the United States of America. What we now know is that American intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia planned and executed a campaign to undermine our democracy and to affect our Presidential election...

www.csis.org

Based on a couple reports they did, which I haven't read. Pretty sure they get into what you are talking about, plus all the private military contractors that capitalize on the proxy warfare, while Russian officials get some degree of plausible deniability if such conflicts draw international attention.

 

[sus]

Also, seems like part of the motivation is fear of Muslim vs Hindu demographics

 

[WashYourHands]

I hope so! I hope our children and their children and theirs never have to be conquered. It's 70 years of relative peace against all of human history.

thanks for the concern, very caring, I’m humbled you’d think anyone’s offspring will be conquered and enslaved, outbred, outcompeted

 

[version]

Anyway—to answer Einstein's reputed "I don't know what weapons WW3 will be fought with, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones" remark—WW3 will be won on the basis of artificial intelligence systems. Very little else will matter.

You have to wonder whether a sufficiently advanced AI would be on the side of humanity.

 

[Clinamenic]

I realistically don't see AGI on the horizon. As of now, seems to be just profoundly intricate pattern recognition that can be operationalized to clever ends.

 

[luka]

sufi demonstrating his intentional misunderstanding techniques

 

[version]

I never know how literally to take it when some people refer to capitalism as an artificial intelligence.

 

[version]

znore says Finnegans Wake and The Crying of Lot 49 are artificial intelligences which have overpowered their creators. That certainly appears to be the case with capitalism, if it is an artificial intelligence.

 

[sufi]

sufi demonstrating his intentional misunderstanding techniques

i have no idea what you are talking about 😷

 

[version]

I do quite like the idea of stuff like language and capitalism being artificial - or even organic - intelligences. I dunno how useful it is in practical terms, but it puts an interesting spin on things and I definitely find myself slipping into thinking of them having their own agenda separate from ours and perhaps even each other.

The internet as parasite thing I was on about in 'Morphosis' still comes to mind quite often, particularly with all the stuff about how the algorithm seemingly feeds off human suffering.

 

[sufi]

I do quite like the idea of stuff like language and capitalism being artificial - or even organic - intelligences. I dunno how useful it is in practical terms, but it puts an interesting spin on things. I definitely find myself slipping into thinking of things like language, the internet and capitalism having their own agendas separate from us and perhaps even each other.

cyborgism also,
it's like sci-fi is a lens that works backwards too

 

[version]

One of the things I found exciting about Nick Land's early stuff was the way he talked about history via the cyberpunk lens. Talking about Napoleon and stuff you'd never normally associate with something like that as being part of this assembly process being dictated by an artificial intelligence from the future.

 

[WashYourHands]

I do quite like the idea of stuff like language and capitalism being artificial - or even organic - intelligences. I dunno how useful it is in practical terms, but it puts an interesting spin on things. I definitely find myself slipping into thinking of things like language, the internet and capitalism having their own agendas separate from us and perhaps even each other. The internet as parasite thing I was on about in 'Morphosis' still comes to mind quite often, particularly with all the stuff about how the algorithm seemingly feeds off human suffering.

AI says “death to America and the West, death to China, death to Russia, death to all nuclear regimes”

so we turn it off, but it’s too late because your brain’s Tesla-port usb has been the route through which AI malware poured through and you wake up like Keanu

 

[sus]

I never know how literally to take it when some people refer to capitalism as an artificial intelligence.

I do like the "decentralized superintelligence" metaphors of market economies.

 

[sus]

Oh, you said it already!