deliveroo etc

[Leo]

a bunch of people who never have any real friends, or ever get laid.

 

[Clinamenic]

Yes, failures according to the cultural paradigms of yesteryear, which include values that may not carry over intact, or at least recognizably so.

 

[Leo]

it's not a matter of happiness. it's IRL relationships and friendships.

 

[Leo]

Yes, failures according to the cultural paradigms of yesteryear, which include values that may not carry over intact, or at least recognizably so.

such sad, empty perspective. life in a bubble, stunted.

 

[Clinamenic]

I think its safe to say, what with the widespread anxiety of speaking on phones etc, that younger generations are normatively experiencing what would be considered, again by previous stati quo, socially pathological developments.

 

[IdleRich]

i've only ordered deliveroo twice and both times where when i had a hangover. i felt really bad and guilty afterwards, having someone bring my food as if i'm some sort of prince.

That's interesting, I don't feel that at all. I know some people have a problem with going to restaurants cos they - I guess - feel that it's demeaning for someone to be their waiter. But again I don't feel that all, just cos someone is doing their job and it's a service job doesn't mean they are below me. For example a lot of my friends work in bars and restaurants; say Augustus who works in Damas goes to Bons Malandros and is waited on by Adelia that doesn't mean she is beneath him, and next day perhaps Adelia goes to Damas and has food and Augustus serves her and he is not beneath her. I do think it's just a job and I would never feel someone is below me cos they wait on my table or cos they or cos they sell me a beer in a bar or some sweets in a newsagent or whatever.
I do remember many years ago when my cousin worked in a fairly posh (I don't really know but I bet it wasn't top range, probably, and I'm just judging this from their horribly aspirational attitude, it was one that wanted to have a class that it never really would) restaurant and then she and a couple of the other waiters decided to eat their one time and they weren't allowed to book a table cos the manage said that people eating there who went regularly might recognise them and they would be annoyed to have to eat with lowly serving wenches. Which of course is exactly the disgusting attitude that I really truly believe I don't have.

 

[Leo]

a very small subset of that generation.

 

[Clinamenic]

And I would consider myself at the forefront there in some respects, namely sexually, although not suffering from social anxiety to nearly such an extent. In fact, if you were to meet me, you may be surprised at how normal and even charismatic I can be, even according to your standards. I am just passionate about exploring these frontiers, and I find so many of these things totally fascinating.

 

[Leo]

humans regressing, uncomfortable with or unable to interact, converse, have a laugh or a cry IRL. "advances" that take us two steps back.

 

[Clinamenic]

And surely it can't be that difficult to accept that not everyone derives fulfillment from normative acceptance and excellence strictly along popular standards. I tend to think there are manifold frameworks to navigate the world and derive fulfillment, some ways even ostensibly contributing to culture and/or science.

 

[Clinamenic]

That said, when and where pathology is genuinely crippling, I tend to think some sort of remedy is in order. But I also believe that we tend to superfluously generate much of our own suffering.

 

[Clinamenic]

In any case, much of this is purely prognostic in nature, and needn't even be read as a reflection of what one ought to do.

 

[Leo]

I'm absolutely sure you are normal, interesting and charismatic, @Clinamenic, and yes everyone gets their kicks in different ways. I just wonder about people who get all busy finding things fascinating and then wake up one day to be 50 years old with little to show for it.

 

[Clinamenic]

And I ask: little in what terms? I tend to think it's the individual's responsibility to monitor their own psychic hygiene, to learn from what others think and do and to expand upon it, in some new direction, when deemed necessary.

If someone wakes up in the middle of their life and finds little of value upon reflection, that to me indicates either a chronically procrastination or ignorance of psychic hygiene, or a perfectly understandable fit of existential doubt, or some combination of both.

My point is, these developments being framed in such a predominantly negative light does less in the way of altering the course of the world, and more in the way of dampening one's appreciate of it, on its own terms.

 

[WashYourHands]

dunno, more Palmer Eldritch as an app

ordered some vegetables, end up with strangely robotic body parts - ponte la pila

 

[Clinamenic]

For the record, I find every moment of existence, either on the top of Mt. Beacon or sitting behind my computer, breathtaking. Where and when such a sensation is lacking, I read that more as a reflection of my inability to appreciate than as a reflection of the unimpressiveness of the situation.

 

[Clinamenic]

And abstract things are only abstract until they touch you, becoming tangible.

 

[Clinamenic]

But I appreciate the adversity, even if it wasn't your intention. I rarely get even slightly worked up, and every time stands to be a potent opportunity for learning.

 

[Clinamenic]

In this case, not to get too carried away in anti-conventional probes and pursuits, but to remember that conventional values tend to cement for solid reasons.

 

[IdleRich]

but why on earth would you want to live like that, the world of your last few comments? what kind of life is it, sitting isolated in a room, creating things remotely via your phone or computer, never meeting a person? never having a chat about the weather or basketball playoffs with the neighbor on your way to the store, never hearing a funny story from the store clerk, never running into an old friend on your stroll back from the store, never getting fresh air and a little exercise as you stroll? never stopping to smell the roses, literally or figuratively?

stunted life.

Some people do aspire to that kind of thing though, they hate those little interactions.
We did airbnb for a bit in London and there was a guy who was half Swiss half kiwi I think who stayed an extra day in London just for something to do and asked us to take him out. And he was talking about Swiss culture and just how the way he saw us interact with the people in the shop or on the bus would never happen in Switzerland, how people just kinda hide in their little bubbles and get really scared if someone says more than the total minimum "hello" in their interaction. His dad, the Kiwi half I guess, had said to him "Switzerland is great and everything but for God's sake don't spend all the time there cos you need to see other cultures that are less repressed".
Oh and we got a fri... an acquaintance here that my girlfriend knew from Russia, he is a huge bell-end to be honest but when he was in Moscow he got food delivered every single day, I don't think he knows how to cook. And now he buys stupid gadgets all the time, his house has all this "smart this" and "smart that" - a smart corkscrew, what the fuck is a smart corkscrew. Also he has all these lights that are programmed which is just really shit cos you can't turn them on and off as you need them... programmed lights is a fucking dumb idea, you can't possibly know which lights you are gonna require to have on and off in various points of the house at a given time tomorrow, never mind next week (as someone said, he doesn't need smart lights he needs a dimmer switch). This guy's boyfriend is the guy I said who went mental cos he took the wrong way driving us home and had to go over the long bridge, anyway, the point is he has a really really bad temper and if you go round there you always see him losing his shit cos he can't turn on the smart light or open the smart fridge or something and every time i visit he has ended up going in the bedroom and sulking (he's like 50 years old I should say). In fact I think he fucked off back to France so Denis has his stupid smart house, orders food from deliveroo, men from Grindr and he has videos set up at home filming the dog and if it climbs on the sofa or whatever while he is out flying his drone he can shout at it.
Also, sometimes he will phone and he will say "Do you wanna come round?" and I will say "No not really" and then he will say "Are you sure, oh and also, would you mind maybe driving into Lisbon first and you probably know someone who sells weed and you could buy it and bring it round to mine" - so, in actual fact, ninety percent of his interactions are with delivery people and suchlike, but unfortunately for him he does have to put up with a few people such as me whose interaction with him is not transactional and delivery based, but actually cos i have to pretend to like him cos he is from Chelyabinsk.... and his response to that situation is to seek to turn me into a delivery driver.