deliveroo etc

[IdleRich]

And I would consider myself at the forefront there in some respects, namely sexually, although not suffering from social anxiety to nearly such an extent. In fact, if you were to meet me, you may be surprised at how normal and even charismatic I can be, even according to your standards. I am just passionate about exploring these frontiers, and I find so many of these things totally fascinating.

I have to say Stan, I would very much like to meet you.
In fact I would like to meet most of you lot that I haven't met already, just for reasons of friendship and putting a face to a name and so on, and that would indeed also be the case with you Stan, I feel that there would be an extra element of interest to meeting you - I hope that doesn't come across as patronising, it is not intended to.

 

[Clinamenic]

That said, I tend to think of myself as somewhat asexual, which I consider a critical aspect of ones life, or, as I would say, one's psychic architecture. Given how some cultures involve these unspoken indices for measuring oneself.

But I also get the sense here that labels may, at least in some cases, have unseen unfavorable consequences that may offset to a degree the sense of comfort that comes with such certainty. Namely, that they may result in the person then attempting, consciously or otherwise, to conform to the identity entailed by such a label, a dynamic that seems to play right into the cultural preconditions for such uncomfortable situations.

 

[Clinamenic]

I have to say Stan, I would very much like to meet you.
In fact I would like to meet most of you lot that I haven't met already, just for reasons of friendship and putting a face to a name and so on, and that would indeed also be the case with you Stan, I feel that there would be an extra element of interest to meeting you - I hope that doesn't come across as patronising, it is not intended to.

When I cross that water, this forum will be among the first to know.

 

[Clinamenic]

But perhaps I don't crave acceptance, or at least don't want to crave it. In any case, it's rarely a problem unless I intentionally configure it as one, which I systematically interpret as progress along the lines of psychic hygiene: not to suppress internal conflict, but to intentionally engage with it now and again, and to be unburdened otherwise.

 

[Clinamenic]

But to be clear, to both @Leo and posterity, I do tend to believe that an inability to socialize body-to-body is, at least for the time being, a critical inability, and that the ignorance or denial of such an inability comes at the psychic expense of the human in question. Do't know the science there, but I don't think I need to.

A more positive advancement would be one consisting of an ability to meaningfully engage in such ways, coupled with a receptiveness to new mechanisms of human interaction.

 

[Clinamenic]

And that is the sort of advancement I am greatly interested in making, along as many fronts as feasible. Healthily integrating the old and soundly faring into the new.

 

[Leo]

I'm with @IdleRich, I think you're great, @Clinamenic. Really interesting and would enjoy an IRL chat over a tall, cool Campari and tonic.

also, I'm not saying everyone should be an outgoing, life-of-the-party type, or the annoying guy who wants to chat with everyone he comes across, or that they should be any one thing in particular at all. I just think there are some insights, experiences and levels of enjoyment/fulfillment that can't be replicated outside of personal interaction.

 

[version]

it's sad when convenience become the overarching goal.

It's one of the major uses of technology. You look at a lot of the stuff we invent and it's designed to save time, make things easier etc etc.

 

[Corpsey]

fighting hand to hand for the privelge of delivering a pizza to corpsey

Got a pizza earlier from deliveroo, spooky.

 

[Leo]

It's one of the major uses of technology. You look at a lot of the stuff we invent and it's designed to save time, make things easier etc etc.

of course. but some of it is creating technology to do something just because you can.

 

[IdleRich]

But perhaps I don't crave acceptance, or at least don't want to crave it. In any case, it's rarely a problem unless I intentionally configure it as one, which I systematically interpret as progress along the lines of psychic hygiene: not to suppress internal conflict, but to intentionally engage with it now and again, and to be unburdened otherwise.

I don't think that we can choose what we crave though can we? I suppose that a person may think "I would like to be a person who craves high culture and renaissance art, but in fact, what I really desire the whole time, what fills my mind from when I rise to when I go to bed is in fact a disappointingly mundane desire to get my hands on a great big pair of knockers" and then they can recognise this unfortunate shortcoming and they can choose to pretend they crave the former and they can live their life as a person who does and so on.... but the underlying craving itself can not be changed can it? I'm not saying cravings are fixed, but more that they are not controllable as we might wish.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

yes, please

 

[luka]

My son used to be a Deliveroo rider a couple of years ago - he’s a semi-pro bike rider and used it as training. One person couldn’t believe he was riding a bike and not a motorbike as he was so fast. Think that pissed off the other riders as it fucked up things for the other deliverers.

not any more becasue electrick bikes are ubiqitous and level the playing feild. of course when i got on my train to work
after this thread there was a young man without a mask giant deliveroo cuboid bag
blocking 4 seats with his huge ugly electrick bike and talking
into his mobile in some strage and savage tongue.

 

[luka]

then i saw another deliveroo driver sitting on a park bench drinking a san migeul, 5 empty san migeul cans next to him

 

[luka]

Convenience trumps most things for a lot of people.

the young able bodied people (corpsey) work long hours at jobs they hate and the little energy they have
at the end of the day they dont want to spend cooking dinner.

 

[luka]

I think new equivalences can be established in new worlds, which will in turn impose their cemented paradigms on even more alien frontiers.

That isn't to say, however, that any paradigm can't be appreciated on its terms, and in fact I do place a high premium on such flexibility, being able to reorientate a value system at a moments notice to maximally derive whatever can the derived from the current circumstances.

what are you on about?

 

[Clinamenic]

I don't think that we can choose what we crave though can we? I suppose that a person may think "I would like to be a person who craves high culture and renaissance art, but in fact, what I really desire the whole time, what fills my mind from when I rise to when I go to bed is in fact a disappointingly mundane desire to get my hands on a great big pair of knockers" and then they can recognise this unfortunate shortcoming and they can choose to pretend they crave the former and they can live their life as a person who does and so on.... but the underlying craving itself can not be changed can it? I'm not saying cravings are fixed, but more that they are not controllable as we might wish.

I tend to think desire is mutable, which I think we would agree one, but I would even go as far as to say it can be willfully mutated, which is where we may differ.

It's been a central facet of this whole project, "steering" oneself by shifting the direction of one's fulfillment pursuit. Tough to impact these primordial drives with sheer logic, but logic can have an impact and if that impact is made in certain ways, it seems to make a critical difference here.

For me it involves exercising the basic ability of sensing the potential for fulfillment in many, if not all things. That, if approached from a certain angle, fulfillment may be had in otherwise unexpected ways.

For me its more of a sublime science than a precise one, but yes my experience indicates that desire even desire qua cravings ca be willfully mutated, if even not in the heat of the moment, but rather an overarching effort that covers some series of moments.

 

[luka]

the young able bodied people (corpsey) work long hours at jobs they hate and the little energy they have
at the end of the day they dont want to spend cooking dinner.

also they live in share houses with people they fear & loathe and avoid communal areas like the kitchen like the plague

 

[Clinamenic]

what are you on about?

That in a pre-digital world, the paradigm for an individual's social success is based on more person-to-person experiences, whereas the digital generations operate under different implicit guidelines for what constitutes social success. Different paradigms reflecting different generational circumstances.

 

[luka]

why would anyone care about success? who's marking you?