The importance of "bad" music/art

[rubberdingyrapids]

the interest/happiness in amateurism i think is also related to the rise in people who dont want to be dictated to by supposedly elite experts, or the distrust in authority or consensus.

 

[woops]

the interest/happiness in amateurism i think is also related to the rise in people who dont want to be dictated to by supposedly elite experts, or the distrust in authority or consensus.

i hate pink floyd

 

[chava]

the interest/happiness in amateurism i think is also related to the rise in people who dont want to be dictated to by supposedly elite experts, or the distrust in authority or consensus.

Some amateurs are better than others though

 

[rubberdingyrapids]

makes me think a bit of grime actually. i remember when i was evangelical about it playing it to some other people into hip hop who thought it was amateur AF. but then other people totally got it, outside of its amateur aspects. amateurism as rebellion/resistance of existing aesthetic ideals and expectations. and then a new set of aesthetic ideals within that amateurism.

 

[thirdform]

Dub techno is a deep pit of mediocrity. It is very hard to find something completely bad, but no one has yet to match Basic Channel. Not even remotely

Yeah, I never liked deep cord.

Fluxion shit is bomb though.

 

[luka]

Genuinely bad music is getting so rare I get all excited when I find it.

ive always said this is what is so interesting and unique about mr tea's music. its a much greater achievement than the rest of the music dissensus makes which tends to land in the zone between competent mediocrity and the willfully inept.

 

[luka]

with tea its like the whole concept of music is being demolished

 

[Mr. Tea]

KABOOM

 

[gremino]

so that even a performance of e.g. Beethoven that sounds perfectly good to the average listener might sound terrible (or more likely mediocre) to the connoisseur.

Curse of the connoisseur.

 

[version]

It's possible to become such a connoisseur that you loop back round and start to appreciate the dross.

 

[Corpsey]

It's also easy to become a "connoisseur" by learning what the other connoisseurs think is good and looking for that.

Oh what a tangled web

 

[version]

It's also easy to become a "connoisseur" by learning what the other connoisseurs think is good and looking for that.

Oh what a tangled web

This is why I'm wary of technical language and keep focusing on the way people pick up certain terms from Twitter. This stuff can be a costume.

 

[luka]

It's possible to become such a connoisseur that you loop back round and start to appreciate the dross.

not only is its possible its actually the classic arc of record collecting.

 

[luka]

you start out being motivated by the good the true the beautiful, the transcendent sublime experience of pure song but become more and more interested in the material residue, the actual sordid facts. things, grubby, horrible things

 

[version]

That and you probably end up hating every other connoisseur, don't want to be seen as one of them and start to enjoy winding them up.

 

[william_kent]

That and you probably end up hating every other connoisseur, don't want to be seen as one of them and start to enjoy winding them up.

" I’m not going to be part of a white dude clusterfuck again" - J. Muggs

 

[thirdform]

" I’m not going to be part of a white dude clusterfuck again" - J. Muggs

The funny thing is Muggs loves prog house.

 

[william_kent]

The funny thing is Muggs loves prog house.

he has backed every losing horse

 

[thirdform]

he has backed every losing horse

Nah I mean prog house is actually big amongst white settlers in Latin American countries, India etc. In that regard it trumps any nuum music, sad to say. It's just unspeakably middle of the road. Hard house is equally as formulaic and functional but it still has that transexual biker turned methhead gay club vibe.

And again to be fair to Muggs the stuff he likes is early Guerilla, JBO etc, 92-94, which is basically semi-credible now thanks in part due to djs like Ciel, Roza Terenzi etc, as well as a load of boring as fuck RA blokes reminiscing. So in that sense he's been on the pulse. It's just that stuff sounds well below US house standards, and much below 93 darkside standards. It just does, no two ways about it.

 

[thirdform]

TBF I do have a derrick May set from '92 where he's playing a prog tune. well, I did before my hd crashed. So even the detroit gods aren't immune to the counter-revolutionary brain deadening expectations of middle class clubbers.