william_kent

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Oh, the "future like ours" guy?

Most of the male members of this forum are killing potential babies every day and depriving them of a "future like ours" judging by the "wank record" thread

I'm afraid I think women should be able to make choices about their bodies, a paper from 1989 isn't going to convince me otherwise

that's me done on the subject
 

mixed_biscuits

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Oh, the "future like ours" guy?

Most of the male members of this forum are killing potential babies every day judging by the "wank record" thread
This sort of thing is precisely why you should read the paper until you understand the argument properly.
 

Clinamenic

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My understanding of life is mechanistic, but mechanisms can be marvelous and sublime.
 

Leo

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TikTok Users and Coders Flood Texas Abortion Site With Fake Tips

After a Texas law restricting abortion went into effect on Wednesday, the state’s largest anti-abortion group publicized a website that invited citizens to inform on the law’s violators.
The website, prolifewhistleblower.com, which was set up by the group Texas Right to Life, was designed to help carry out the new law. That’s because the law places enforcement not in the hands of state officials but with private citizens, who are deputized to sue anyone who performs or aids an abortion in violation of the law.
Tips about the law’s potential offenders quickly flooded into the website, which features an online form so people can anonymously submit reports of those who are illegally obtaining or facilitating abortions.
But some of the tips were a little unexpected.
Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas, who was a leading proponent of the abortion law, was a violator, according to some of the tips. The fictional characters from Marvel’s Avengers were also apparently seeking abortions, the reports said. Other tips did not point to individuals but instead contained copies of the entire script to the 2007 animated film “Bee Movie.”

The reports, which were obviously bogus, were the work of activists on TikTok, programmers, and Twitter and Reddit users who said they wanted to ensnarl the site’s administrators in fabricated data.
 

william_kent

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The UK British Medical Association's current stance:

In 2017, we agreed policy that abortion should be 'decriminalised'. This means it would be regulated in the same way as other medical treatments. The policy was reaffirmed in 2019.

It states that abortion:

  1. should be decriminalised in respect of health professionals administering abortions within the context of their clinical practice
  2. should be decriminalised in respect of women procuring and administering the means of their own abortion.

no "future like ours" guff there...
 

Clinamenic

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It was an off-hand comment; I understand
An off-hand one yes, but also one that reveals a lack of appreciation of the value of human life. And I admit, at times I can be pretty far removed in that direction, but I certainly shouldn't handle these things so carelessly.
 

Clinamenic

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An off-hand one yes, but also one that reveals a lack of appreciation of the value of human life. And I admit, at times I can be pretty far removed in that direction, but I certainly shouldn't handle these things so carelessly.
Ultra-secular, so secular and mechanistic as to be alien, really the sort of removed, alien-like figure that the Q mythos seems to aptly, if even ham-fistedly, demonize.

I can relate, but I can also sense the need for a correction, a pullback into vitalism and then into humanism. All in the spirit of thermodynamic appreciation, too.
 

Clinamenic

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That said, I don't believe humans, or organisms more broadly, come from anywhere else than the molecular soup that preceded us.
 

Clinamenic

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But yes, killing an organism is violence against an extropic construct. And precluding the development of an extropic construct, i.e. abortion, does come out to the same thing, if even less recognizably so.

But I do take that liberally enough to prioritize, to some uncertain degree, women's reproductive rights over the unconditional delivery of every conceived human.
 

Clinamenic

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And I don't believe that these decisions tend to be made lightly, inconsiderate of the drastically different futures being averted. That is, I think we, especially women, are hardwired and softwired (nurture) to place a high premium on the lives of our children.

I say this under the assumption that a considerable section of pro-life advocates assume, perhaps more out of partisan passion than reason, that women will be recklessly getting abortions as if its something they get off on. I think that is nonsense.

Of course I'm not tying that to you @mixed_biscuits , but just admitting what assumptions I'm operating under. I could be wrong about what pro-life advocates tend to assume about pro-choice advocates.

I also don't have the Fear of God, as such, struck into me, predisposing my apprehension of reality along such lines.

If anything I fear nature, which largely overlaps with God, only I try to avoid appending doctrines and laws to nature., i.e. nature having no partiality regarding ethics, something to thus be defined democratically, terrestrially.
 

Clinamenic

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I have Faith, just not in God as such. I prefer my infinity rare, maybe medium-rare here and there.
 

Clinamenic

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Thats largely the basis of my liberal standpoint here, that it isn't a situation where I can ultimately assert my beliefs, i.e. that its someone else's body that is being negotiated around, irrespective of my opinions.

edit: a response to a post since removed.
 

Clinamenic

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Anyway I agree its not a good look, but there are other aspects of this, i.e. how policy can be made, aspects which nonetheless boil down to bodies, but have room for conversation that needn't suffer from such bad looks.

edit: a response to a post since removed.
 
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