Leo

Well-known member
Yeah, this is the thing. They're coming from a D.C.-based organisation and there are seemingly no important Americans named...

although there is this...
As with the Panama Papers, the leak mostly exposes the dealings of people outside the U.S. But as the Washington Post notes, the data does reveal how some states have become offshore havens for foreigners:

Perhaps the most troubling revelations for the United States, however, center on its expanding complicity in the offshore economy. South Dakota, Nevada, and other states have adopted financial secrecy laws that rival those of offshore jurisdictions. Records show leaders of foreign governments, their relatives and companies moving their private fortunes into U.S.-based trusts.
A total of 81 trusts held in South Dakota are part of the leak:

The files provide substantial new evidence … that South Dakota now rivals notoriously opaque jurisdictions in Europe and the Caribbean in financial secrecy. Tens of millions of dollars from outside the United States are now sheltered by trust companies in Sioux Falls, some of it tied to people and companies accused of human rights abuses and other wrongdoing.
 

version

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@Leo

Yeah, I saw that in the Guardian piece too. It isn't exactly a huge issue for the US though, is it? There are foreign leaders explicitly named in the leaks whilst a few US states are named with nobody to really pin anything on stateside, plus it allows them cover as they can say "Well, we're not not mentioned... ".
 

version

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Gary Webb's The Dark Alliance is another good example of an early Deep Politics text - Iran/Contra, CIA swapping weapons in exchange for drugs, CIA coke flooding the US market, etc

edit: correcting autocorrect
Also alleged to have died after shooting himself in the head... twice.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
The foundation text of Deep Politics is Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics and the death of JFK, which is where the term is first posited as a more useful term than "parapolitics" ( which he also coined ):



Lobster magazine used the term "parapolitics" to describe their content, although after the departure of Stephen Dorill some of the articles veered into crank territory - the early issues were good for breaking stories about covert operations in Northern Ireland, the murder of Hilda Murrell, etc

Peter Dale Scott:



I like Peter Dale Scott - Noam Chomsky absolutely loathes him
Lobster used to be a brilliant read but I haven't kept up. I read Peter Dale Scott's book on 9/11 after seeing it reviewed there. I should revisit, still have a load of the back issues. The little book on JFK by Robin Ramsey is well worth a read (I think Padraig took me to task when I mentioned it on here but I'd have to check) but they took the JFK conspiracy as the kinda starting point for a new era of deep politics.
 

version

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The Vatican still operates a sigma pedo cult

Look how many wars and deaths that institution survived. The scale of abuse. How rooted it is in public life and politics is part of its success
There's a big report coming out on some of this on Tuesday,
 

william_kent

Well-known member
Lobster used to be a brilliant read but I haven't kept up. I read Peter Dale Scott's book on 9/11 after seeing it reviewed there. I should revisit, still have a load of the back issues. The little book on JFK by Robin Ramsey is well worth a read (I think Padraig took me to task when I mentioned it on here but I'd have to check) but they took the JFK conspiracy as the kinda starting point for a new era of deep politics.

I check the Lobster website now and again - there's normally something worth reading in the recent issues, especially if Anthony Frewin ( Kubrick's former sidekick ) has done a book review
 

version

Well-known member
I recently learned about CounterSpy after reading that article I posted on Vineland elsewhere.

counterspy.png
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
So, yeah. None of Luka's silly YouTube videos (I know I'm tempting him to bombard the thread with them by saying this, but exercise some restraint... ) or Alex Jones or anything like that in here. Let's keep it to the proven and/or plausible...

which it is almost certainly is. my way of looking at things is the world is run by pedo satanists. if you keep that in mind you wont go far wrong.


You just can't help yourself, can you?

Is there a single right-wing conspiracy theory you don't subscribe to?
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Luka has made clear, in my mind, his preference of myth over fact. He may not literally believe in the paedo satanist cabal, but he may say that he literally believes in it, because "literally" can be a fun word to use that way.
 

version

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You just can't help yourself, can you?

Is there a single right-wing conspiracy theory you don't subscribe to?
You're going to end up derailing the thread and turning it into another big argument and I'd prefer it if you didn't.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Myth may grant a certain freedom from the formulaic and sterile world of facts, a certain enchantment that may be found invigorating.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
If Trump & co (including CA as I understand) were more intelligent (or maybe more gnostic?), their platform would have been able to ride that wave out longer, more efficiently. As it is, it seems more social energy was epileptically discharged than was harnessed properly. To be clear, I'd prefer that they were off the scene entirely.

Although at such extremes (maximally harnessing the social power of myth), it would seem necessary to tout Trump as an actual messianic figure, which seems to have been the case in whatever elite christian enclaves Trump may count among his contingency, i.e. the whole "Jesus was a alpha bro" take on christianity.
 

version

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I recently learned about CounterSpy after reading that article I posted on Vineland elsewhere.

counterspy.png
"Former Central Intelligence Agency personnel Victor Marchetti, Philip Agee, and Stanley Sheinbaum joined CounterSpy’s advisory board aimed at mitigating some of the pressure being exerted on the magazine by the CIA."

I know who Agee, Marchetti and Sheinbaum are, but this sort of thing trips me up at times as once you're paranoid about an organisation like the CIA, you can extrapolate until everything becomes part of some sort of masterplan and something like CounterSpy is being orchestrated by them rather than their opponents.

I guess you just have to look at the situation logically and think "Is it more likely that the CIA would set up an explicitly anti-CIA publication and intentionally embarrass themselves in public or that a few disgruntled ex-employees and activists would run a magazine genuinely criticising and exposing them?".
 

linebaugh

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Those "suicides" that appear in the news now and then where the official explanation is so ridiculous you can't help but come up with an alternate explanation are interesting, e.g.

I can't remember the specific case atm, but someone once showed me a story about some guy in the US who was involved in something shady who allegedly killed himself by doing something like shooting himself in the head seven times with a rifle...

:ROFLMAO:

I dont know if theres a wider conspiracy attached to this, but federal investigators determined that this lawyer -found hours away from home, stabbed 36 times, throat slit, car in a lake- a suicide.

I know about this because of cum town bit where the details of the 'suicide' are sung to the tune of Adam's Song
 

version

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Do you remember the guy with the rifle? I think Marina mentioned him in the D/C server ages ago.
 
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