Slothrop

Tight but Polite
Thats my understanding of unsupervised machine learning, one that hones and refines itself around a fitness unbeknownst to the human programmer.

Old post and off topic, but it's kind-of my area and nope, not really.

The difference between supervised and unsupervised ML is that in supervised learning you basically give the algorithm a bunch of examples of what correct behavior looks like for your specific problem. You might do that in advance, eg if you've got a neural network that's designed for image classification and you need to separate pictures of dogs from pictures of birds, you'd have to start off by giving it a bunch of labelled examples of each class of picture to "train" the network, or you might do it "interactively", eg if you've got a recommendation system for your online shop then you tell it that it made the right decision if the customer actually buys the thing that it recommended.

Unsupervised basically just means that the user of the algorithm doesn't have to give large numbers of examples of what correct behavior is for their application - the algorithm just cranks through its standard steps with the new dataset to do the thing that its meant to do, and the steps and the thing are often pretty prosaic and predictable, eg trying to group a bunch of things into clusters of similar items, or finding parameters for a statistical model to match the data as closely as possible.
 

luka

Well-known member
droid had a little temper tantrum its true. but everyone else understood and it ended up being a good conversation
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
No, I don't agree dude. Or you'll have to make a stronger, clearer case. perhaps. I have a kinda revulsion for conspiracies large;y when they're used to muddy the waters in the wake of mass murders or disseminate reactionary sentiments. I dislike the unacknowledged schadenfreude that takes place in celebrating them. What I was pointing out that this is part of Luke's attraction to them - he didn't want to face up so told me to fuck off or similar which to me, proves the point.

The fact that we animals and will continue to kill each other, lie about it, and celebrate it doesn't cancel out my dislike of this side of our nature. We aren't pretty creatures but we can aspire and do achieve our aspirations at times. Otherwise, we might as well just fully indulge these instincts and roll around in our own shit.

Sure, I agree with you. I do however think the conspiracy theorist knows that what they are saying is absurd, they know that they can keep redefining their terms, they know they can accuse people whilst retaining their belief. The trick is to play total football a la 70s ajax, get to the bottom of the appeal of such thinking. Because it does have an appeal, and for me, that appeal itself needs to be attacked more than the theories as such.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
@DannyL It reminds me of Sartre on antisemitism.

The anti-Semite has chosen hate because hate is a faith; at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons. How entirely at ease he feels as a result. How futile and frivolous discussions about the rights of the Jew appear to him. He has placed himself on other ground from the beginning. If out of courtesy he consents for a moment to defend his point of view, he lends himself but does not give himself. He tries simply to project his intuitive certainty onto the plane of discourse. I mentioned awhile back some remarks by anti-Semites, all of them absurd: "I hate Jews because they make servants insubordinate, because a Jewish furrier robbed me, etc." Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Not with you, sure. In the middle east this shit has dangerous consequences.

With you it's merely just you being a goth.
Luke's a free and liberated poet, dont you know, nothing has consequences. To acknowledge consequences would spoil the game.

Love that Satre quote, that's amazing.
Not going to spend all Saturday night on here but that was great. Laters haters.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Luke's a free and liberated poet, dont you know, nothing has consequences. To acknowledge consequences would spoil the game.

Love that Satre quote, that's amazing.
Not going to spend all Saturday night on here but that was great. Laters haters.

I mean I like I can talk to luke about politics without having to convince him tbh. It's not a nice position to be in this country where most middle class people look at you like a political reservoir that can be drained and then tossed aside. You don't have this double consciousness, cos you're not an immigrant (at least not 1st/2nd gen) but it often does feel dehumanising, and it's not just something that comes from the statist left but the british class system per se.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I mean I like I can talk to luke about politics without having to convince him tbh. It's not a nice position to be in this country where most middle class people look at you like a political reservoir that can be drained and then tossed aside. You don't have this double consciousness, cos you're not an immigrant (at least not 1st/2nd gen) but it often does feel dehumanising, and it's not just something that comes from the statist left but the british class system per se.
Yeah fair dos. I've just been pointing out some of the underlying motivations I can see behind conspiracism in this thread.
I know what you mean about politics just using minorities in this country.
I don't have that felt perception of being differently raced no, even though I am (well half of me is) - 'cos I look so white I have to consciously think myself into that perspective tbh, though I do think that gives me a sense of not fully fitting in or not identifying with class and social structures in the same way as someone from a different background might do. But I think this is true of near everyone to one degree or another.
 
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