Corruption, 'Deep Politics', etc.

[thirdform]

Yeah fair dos. I've just been pointing out some of the underlying motivations I can see behind conspiracism in this thread.
I know what you mean about politics just using minorities in this country.
I don't have that felt perception of being differently raced no, even though I am (well half of me is) - 'cos I look so white I have to consciously think myself into that perspective tbh, though I do think that gives me a sense of not fully fitting in or not identifying with class and social structures in the same way as someone from a different background might do. But I think this is true of near everyone to one degree or another.

Oh sure. If I'm doing political work I will fight tooth and nail to combat conspiracy-like thinking, not least because undercover coppers love it. I don't mean to be harsh about the whole spycops scandal, but reading some of the interviews I was like kind of yeah, in hindsight its pretty obvious these people were dodge. @luka is right that I should not be in charge of a political organisation cos I'll constantly test people with very long and boring books, the bain of the old bill.

 

[luka]

so anyway back to the topic

 

[version]

Millions were in germ war tests

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

www.theguardian.com

 

[luka]

Oh sure. If I'm doing political work I will fight tooth and nail to combat conspiracy-like thinking, not least because undercover coppers love it. I don't mean to be harsh about the whole spycops scandal, but reading some of the interviews I was like kind of yeah, in hindsight its pretty obvious these people were dodge. @luka is right that I should not be in charge of a political organisation cos I'll constantly test people with very long and boring books, the bain of the old bill.

overproduction

In these crises, a great part not only of the existing products, but also of the previously created productive forces, are periodically destroyed. In these crises, there breaks out an epidemic that, in all earlier epochs, would have seemed an absurdity — the epidemic of over-production...

www.dissensus.com

 

[thirdform]

Yeah, see, this is where I tend to roll my eyes. Global hegemony as we know it coming from America was pioneered by Britain. This is why for instance America supported Egypt in the Suez canal incident, because gb/france were trying to retain their old land-based colonialist imperialism. Whereas American imperialism thrives on naval supremacy - I.E: imperialism via remote control (symbolically reflected in the monstrous deviation that is the aircraft carrier.)

 

[luka]

Yeah, see, this is where I tend to roll my eyes. Global hegemony as we know it coming from America was pioneered by Britain. This is why for instance America supported Egypt in the Suez canal incident, because gb/france were trying to retain their old land-based colonialist imperialism. Whereas American imperialism thrives on naval supremacy - I.E: imperialism via remote control (symbolically reflected in the monstrous deviation that is the aircraft carrier.)

no offence but youve misunderstood what youve read, or you havent read it.

 

[thirdform]

no offence but youve misunderstood what youve read, or you havent read it.

No, I get it.

The twitter author is insufficiently anti-american, they want to retain a pre-world war II version of America, ignoring that it was precisely world war II's destruction and devaluation of capital which allowed america to become the global hegemon.

 

[thirdform]

They are too soft, if you will.

 

[thirdform]

What they say is fairly uncontroversial, but it remains truncated.

 

[thirdform]

WW II was not a war to defeat fascism (only fascists) - if it were so, operation paperclip wouldn't have happened.

 

[luka]

i was offering it in opposition to the craner credo, which is that everything happens by accident, nothing is willed, nothing is planned, and no one is behind it

 

[thirdform]

this global elite is kids stuff really, look at these post-ww II operations for the real deal.

 

[luka]

help me out here please. what is 'global elite' stuff? and what is post-ww II operations? and what is the real deal? what are we talking about here?

 

[sufi]

https://bilderberg.org

 

[version]

i was offering it in opposition to the craner credo, which is that everything happens by accident, nothing is willed, nothing is planned, and no one is behind it

One day he's going to get fed up of clarifying what he actually thinks and just shoot you.

 

[luka]

One day he's going to get fed up of clarifying what he actually thinks and just shoot you.

that is what he thinks. or rather its what he thinks he is permitted to think.

 

[luka]

if theres an expert on the thought of Oliver Craner it's me

 

[linebaugh]

Cant beleive it was third to bust up the big argument

 

[linebaugh]

Luke you have an amazing talent for presenting legitimate points in the most abrasive way possible. Some might call it autism

 

[Mr. Tea]

Yeah, see, this is where I tend to roll my eyes. Global hegemony as we know it coming from America was pioneered by Britain. This is why for instance America supported Egypt in the Suez canal incident, because gb/france were trying to retain their old land-based colonialist imperialism. Whereas American imperialism thrives on naval supremacy - I.E: imperialism via remote control (symbolically reflected in the monstrous deviation that is the aircraft carrier.)

Not sure I get you. All the European colonial empires were based on sea power, and Britain's most of all. It was only Russia that expanded purely on land.