DannyL

Wild Horses
It was inevitable Version, the thread title was a red rag to him.
Third could you reiterate your point from upthread?
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
It was inevitable Version, the thread title was a red rag to him.
Third could you reiterate your point from upthread?

It was inevitable Version, the thread title was a red rag to him.
Third could you reiterate your point from upthread?

Often the fairly well off middle classes have a tendancy to conspiracism. All bourgeois sociology will try and tell you it's a feeling of a loss of identity, of suspician, of feeling alienated, which is all correct, but then begs the question ... why is it the fairly well educated, the enlightened (if you will/those with heads screwed on) who succumb to this nauseating phenomenon? The illuminati shit is hardly something that the absolutely impoverished bang on about on the internet. I've thrown the gauntlet down for craner.
 

version

Well-known member
It was inevitable Version, the thread title was a red rag to him.
To be fair, it's prompted a decent discussion which has swung back round to exactly what I was trying to do with the thread in the first place, so it's worked out okay.
 

luka

Well-known member
I assume he's joking when he says that sort of thing, but I guess you can only joke about something so many times before people start to wonder. This is also a public forum and people who don't know him might read that stuff and not realise it's tongue-in-cheek.
Fuck 'em. Who cares. I've explained myself and my interests
This is the wedge I was trying to drive between the two threads and which Luke kicked out earlier. As Craner said of Gladio, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's the history of a conspiracy.
he only says that cos it's been exposed
 

version

Well-known member
he only says that cos it's been exposed
That was the big point of disagreement between us, as far as I could tell. That he would only entertain things which had already been proven whereas I was happier to speculate.
 

sufi

lala
This is the wedge I was trying to drive between the two threads and which Luke kicked out earlier. As Craner said of Gladio, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's the history of a conspiracy.
also
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Hmmm.... interesting. Do you have an answer, I don't want to come up with a pat one off the top of my head.

I mean it's as I said. Absolute scepticism is often a deficiency. Question everything sure, but not because you were told to. In this sense I don't get with the western interpretation of Buddhism. Authorities love questioners, so long as they keep questioning. Socrates did a bit more than that, he challenged the people of his time.
 

luka

Well-known member
That was the big point of disagreement between us, as far as I could tell. That he would only entertain things which had already been proven whereas I was happier to speculate.
You won't get anywhere with them as I've carefully and patiently explained.
 

sufi

lala
egypt deepstate is not even deep
cops in the Regeni case admit publicly they won't testify because they can't snitch
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Yes, it's necessary not to be dogmatic, but disavowing dogma in favour of pick n mix eclecticism with no social context is just as dogmatic. In school they of course have to teach you that learning is some nebulous love of wisdom, which of course it isn't in a chaotic labour market. You do not see conspiracy theories really dominate until after the French revolution. I find this very interesting.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
I don't have a problem with speculation. I'm not one of those types who doesn't have a view of history, and merely sees events as randomised happenings. Speculation is not the problem here so much as the offensive ability and the privilege to make this the mythos of your world outlook. Which is, in the final instance, existentialism and not materialism. @DannyL
 

version

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You won't get anywhere with them as I've carefully and patiently explained.
I think if people engage with more and more of this sort of history then it becomes increasingly difficult for them to accept the present at face value. You'd have to believe all of the systems and mechanisms and organisations and forces and beliefs which led to the proven conspiracies you can easily read about just disappeared one day and nothing like that ever happened again. An idea about as ridiculous as believing every single scientist is lying about the Earth being flat.
 
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