Clinamenic

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My waking life now, even just sitting at my desk presently, is ultimately more interesting than skydiving on acid was then. Its been an iterative, compounding, enduring enrichment brought on by the ongoing work/project (using the Gurdjieffian term "work" despite my not having read him).
 

IdleRich

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To me meditation isn't strictly about enjoying an altered state of consciousness, but primarily about securing an equanimous mental state.

I brought it up as a potential offramp from constant weed smoking, because it can function as a means to enjoy altered states of consciousness. It would also be a much more intrinsic and enduring means than substance usage, a means that can be employed whenever, wherever, freely.

But again for me its not just about getting experiential kicks. Skydiving on acid was about experiential kicks, but meditating is profoundly more important, in my eyes. And again my primary meditating practice, should it be called that, is more of a waking seeing-through of experience, rather than an inactive/idle practice, which I have much less experience with, i.e. sukhasana.
A far more thoughtful response than my tongue-in-cheek post deserved... but it drew out of you the acid skydiving anecdote so it was worth it.

There was a porn star who filmed himself having skydive sex (I think he had a day job as an instructor) - but then when people started saying it was illegal he did a quick reverse ferret and claimed it was fake...
 

Clinamenic

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I had nothing comparable to thermodynamic insight until long after my last experience with psychedelics, so I would attribute that to ongoing meditation/study as well, especially seeing as the insight takes on the terms of science, i.e. "thermodynamic".
 

Clinamenic

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I had a vision induced by my first experience with acid, but I largely see through it now.
 

Clinamenic

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Whereas many other people who have reported revelatory experiences under the influence of psychedelics would seem to have latched onto such experiences, instead of interrogating them.

I'm inclined to interpret encounters with ostensible higher order beings as artifacts of human cognition, a Feuerbachian epiphany if you will, whether or not psychedelics are involved.

This seminar was excellent, just watched it last week. From Harvard Divinity School.

 

IdleRich

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Oh here it is... looks pretty realistic to me, oh NSFW obviously.

 

suspended

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My waking life now, even just sitting at my desk presently, is ultimately more interesting than skydiving on acid was then. Its been an iterative, compounding, enduring enrichment brought on by the ongoing work/project (using the Gurdjieffian term "work" despite my not having read him).
Can you lead a seminar like one of Luka's psychedelic poetry things
 

Clinamenic

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Can you lead a seminar like one of Luka's psychedelic poetry things
My communication has been optimized around text, and this is all largely what I'm getting at re: extropic insight/enlightenment.

edit: but that isn't to say no.
 
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Clinamenic

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Meditating for extended periods of time will allow for greater advancement yet, even though my waking meditation so far has been quite effective.

Theres a good chance my desire for money/alcohol/weed/porn/video games will dissolve 99%, but until then I indulge despite seeing right through it.

Even if it waxes and wanes within some margin. Lately I've had no desire to smoke weed. Went a month without any, then had a spliff a week ago to see if it reignites any habits, which it has not.

I suspect future insight will revolve largely around how time can be apprehended by consciousness in a different, perhaps non-unilateral and non-sequential, fashion.
 

luka

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similarly whatever @suspended posts i can contrast with his in-person earnest politeness
hes very earnest and polite and its difficult for him trying to adapt to a way of comunicating that is almost the polar opposite of that which is why we have to be patient and understanding.
 

Clinamenic

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Theres a good chance my desire for money/alcohol/weed/porn/video games will dissolve 99%, but until then I indulge despite seeing right through it.
This has been near the heart of the success here, it seems. By obliging these impulses of desire, and then focusing on seeing through the gratification, I would seem to be more successful at transcending desire than if I were to have renounced these things, which would seem to have an adverse effect, one of longing and repression.
 

Clinamenic

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And yet, renunciation would seem to be a major convention in various traditions of enlightenment.
 

Clinamenic

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Renunciation would seem to often be coupled with a self-punishment whenever the desire cannot be suppressed, and this punishment would seem to perpetuate the desire itself, perhaps even galvanize it.
 

Clinamenic

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The latest milestone re: meditation is that it is starting to genuinely be more immediately fulfilling than indulging in many of these other things. Not always, as I still feel compelled to have a beer or watch porn now and then, but the technique is one of allowance and seeing-through, rather than of renunciation.
 
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