overproduction

luka

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its literally just what you said. predator populations rise until they run out of food (the point prey populations are at their lowest)
then predator populations start to fall (and prey populations start to rise)
 

sus

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I've said it all I've had all the thoughts I guess we have run out what do we do now
 

sus

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Surprised you have read Selfish Gene and Graeber both actually shocked all this anti intellectual don't read bravado for a second I actually believed it
 

luka

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I don't even recognize this Luka it's just defeat defeat defeat no spark no will dead eyes
i was linking this idea of thirds to the conspiracy theories that the covid response has given rise to, specifically the ones about destruction
of business and etc
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Who enforces it? Or is it more like a natural law?

Me n Mvuent and Linebaugh were talking about whale falls and mast years today, walking through the woods. How the equilibria certain systems fall into necessarily involve boom or bust years. So, e.g., if there's a stable number of acorns that oak trees produce, the squirrel population will adapt to basically soak up all the free calories lying around. So every handful of years, the oak trees en masse sync up to drop a massive number of acorns, far more than usual, far more than the existing squirrel population can consume, guaranteeing some of the acorns will become trees.

Of course, the next year, mass starvation for the squirrels. And this just goes on in an endless loop, no way to break out of it except find some new, better symbiotic equilibrium.
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
non-bullshit jobs is a contradiction in terms. But then Graeber thinks anarchism exists at all time through reciprocity, which will have the existential liberals hard as a rock, I'm sure.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
the irritating cunts who spend their whole existence meditating on the purpose of their existence, as if it were not finite.
 

catalog

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Re this boom and bust thing in the natural ecology, you might be interested in the Suzane simard book about trees, her whole early thesis was about disproving the ideas of the corporate tree felling people, but it took her years, literally cos what they said would happen was actually true in the short term ie if you clear birch and other "pest" trees, the cash crop firs will grow better, but not overf a long period of time.

I never finished the book but I thought as I was reading it that some of what she was saying was like his Tony Wilson described the ebb and flow of factory, how joy division died but the Mondays rose. Like a dna spiral. Subplots intertwining.

There's alway at least two or three things going on simultaneously basically.
 
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sus

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Re this boom and bust thing in the natural ecology, you might be interested in the Suzane simard book about trees, her whole early thesis was about disproving the ideas of the corporate tree felling people, but it took her years, literally cos what they said would happen was actually true in the short term ie if you clear birch and other "pest" trees, the cash crop firs will grow better, but not overf a long period of time.

I never finished the book but I thought as I was reading it that some of what she was saying was like his Tony Wilson described the ebb and flow of factory, how joy division died but the Mondays rose. Like a dna spiral. Subplots intertwining.

There's alway at least two or three things going on simultaneously basically.
Yeah James Scott talks about this as well. It can take 70, 80 years for bad forestry practices to emerge, and their origin is often a mystery if you've tried multiple novel forestry approaches in that period.
 

catalog

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We don't really do slowness as a culture anymore, but that other Australian tree woman talks about how Darwin just sat and stared at plants to tune in a bit. It's a whole different way of being.
 
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