Yuval Noah Harari

WashYourHands

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
version said:
Here.

This is the stuff I found really scary,

If "the info-tech revolution merges with the bio-tech revolution what you get is the ability to hack human beings."

"once we have algorithms that can understand me better than I understand myself they could predict my desires manipulate my emotions & even take decisions on my behalf. & if we are not careful, the outcome might be, the rise of digital dictatorships."

"people will give up their privacy in exchange for healthcare and maybe in many places they won't have a choice. They won't even get insurance if they're unwilling to give access to what is happening inside their bodies."
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Slow burn rumination

Remember Labour's recent Medicine's for the Many policy? It came up in work today and with all the hullabaloo since, got buried in the murk

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Healthcare is always in the debate arena. What i recalled today was intellectual property rights on a range of drugs being absorbed by legislation and reform of price-fixing. Broad sweep/scope and while Corbyn's team would've workshopped the idea, it still seems bold

We have deeply fragmented healthcare systems even for a European shithole, but everything else in said quotes has already manifested. Info-tech is research and development. Info-tech stretches to ancestry dna web resources. Info-tech is your browser. Bio-tech is as old humans. I can't watch cycling because of the volume of dopers. Info-bio tech is your GP practice and NHS record, which get misplaced and lost all the time. Human genome has been cracked. What do we do with it?

Digital dictatorships exist in multiple domains. The last quote seems US-centric and more nightmarish scenario given the volume of people without insurance coverage. Legitimate concerns but worst case scenario-based - he could revise these positions in light of current events
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
luka said:
this man is becoming a familair face in the conspiracy channel broadcasts. he reminds me of Stan and Gus in that he doesn't so much think as articulate the premises the modern world is built upon. these things are not always spelled out so clearly and where they are they fit neatly into a conspiratorial framework
for example

Historian Yuval Noah Harari offers a bracing prediction: just as mass industrialization created the working class, the AI revolution will create a new unworking class.​


1. Organisms are algorithms. Every animal — including Homo sapiens — is an assemblage of organic algorithms shaped by natural selection over millions of years of evolution.


2. Algorithmic calculations are not affected by the materials from which the calculator is built. Whether an abacus is made of wood, iron or plastic, two beads plus two beads equals four beads.


3. Hence, there is no reason to think that organic algorithms can do things that non-organic algorithms will never be able to replicate or surpass. As long as the calculations remain valid, what does it matter whether the algorithms are manifested in carbon or silicon?
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This formulation or argument in itself is pretty trivial or circular or just lame though isn't it? It pretty much says "Humans are just compurwes so they are just computers".

Some people don't accept point 1. The tough thing is to prove it irrevocably so those who have spent their lives arguing against it will have to agree. Just stating that it's axiomatically true doesn't really add anything does it?
 
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Clinamenic

Clinamenic

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I don't believe there is anything about humans that cannot eventually be engineered by humans.

That said, to my knowledge, our cutting-edge AI is nowhere near conscious.
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
luka said:
he channels the ideology of the era without any conscious intervention. a mouthpiece for impersonal forces. this is why he is important.... from what i can work out... not having read anything he's written or listened to any interviews etc.
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Oh ok that's the same point as mine I guess. He's just picked one side of the debate and stated it as fact, ignoring the less trendy side.
 
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DannyL

Wild Horses
It's disappointing he's so banal then I guess? Speaking also as someone who hasn't read him. It's just more "tech solve everything!" cheering?
 
version

version

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He's a pop. science-type writer, so banality's to be somewhat expected. The books are apparently just glosses and overviews of his subjects.
 
william_kent

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luka said:
2. Algorithmic calculations are not affected by the materials from which the calculator is built. Whether an abacus is made of wood, iron or plastic, two beads plus two beads equals four beads.
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I call bullshit on this. The guy has obviously never coded a calculator and had to port it to another language or computer architecture.
 
Clinamenic

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Did someone here share the reports of Peter Thiel wanting to monopolize the astral plane? Unsure if that is true, but even if it is I have my doubts as to its feasibility. Then again, I know very little about the astral plane.
 
william_kent

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Clinamenic said:
Did someone here share the reports of Peter Thiel wanting to monopolize the astral plane? Unsure if that is true, but even if it is I have my doubts as to its feasibility. Then again, I know very little about the astral plane.
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entertaining read called "Operation Mindcontrol" by Walter Bowart which contains accounts of armed guards on full alert rushing to apprehend intruders in the secret underground tunnels of Mount Shasta, only to stand down when they realise it's only those "darned dreamers"

I wonder how many of those astral trespassers got recruited....turned...

but surely it must have been on this forum where it was mentioned that a 5 second ad for amazon is being inserted into DMT trips? Just as you're about to breakthrough...and here's a message from Jeff...( and you better savour it! - it's more attention than Captain Kirk got )
 
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