Rittenhouse Trial

[version]

White people

It isn't a term that's thrown at all white people though, is it? Nobody would call David Cameron or Boris Johnson a chav.

 

[linebaugh]

trailer trash is more classict Id say. and no one whose being serious is offended by cracker.

 

[catalog]

It isn't a term that's thrown at all white people though, is it? Nobody would call David Cameron or Boris Johnson a chav.

Oh yeah I see what you mean. Yeah it's a particular strain of poor white people therefore racist and classist all together. Is that what you mean?

 

[version]

Oh yeah I see what you mean. Yeah it's a particular strain of poor white people therefore racist and classist all together. Is that what you mean?

I think it's classist, but I'm not convinced it's racist.

 

[version]

trailer trash is more classict Id say. and no one whose being serious is offended by cracker.

"Chav" is basically our equivalent of "trailer trash".

 

[catalog]

I think it's classist, but I'm not convinced it's racist.

Why not?

 

[version]

Why not?

Because of what I was saying about it not targeting all white people. If it were racist then I'd have thought it would be applicable to any white person due to it being based on race.

 

[catalog]

Can it not be an intersection of class and race?

 

[version]

It's like calling a posh white person a "toff". It's an insult specifically leveled at white people, but only certain white people.

 

[linebaugh]

I think catalog is hung up on it being a white specific term, but I dont think a word acknowledging race makes it inherently racist. This is a common hang up. My mom used to whisper the word 'mexican' when I was growing up.

 

[catalog]

Yeah I agree with that. But what I'm saying is its intersectional

 

[catalog]

I think catalog is hung up on it being a white specific term, but I dont think a word acknowledging race makes it inherently racist. This is a common hang up. My mom used to whisper the word 'mexican' when I was growing up.

It's not the same as Mexican but nvm this is a bit boring now.

 

[IdleRich]

I was going to say "What about Kavanaugh?" but then I read the rest of your post and realised I didn't understand what you meant by "white good ole boy culture".

I've seen people comparing Kavanaugh and Rittenhouse - albeit cos they both cried (or pretended to) in their trial.

 

[version]

Yeah I agree with that. But what I'm saying is its intersectional

I think you could argue it's racist or xenophobic if it were targeted at a specific white ethnicity, like Welsh or Irish or Scottish slurs, but it's much more rooted in class, as far as I can tell.

 

[catalog]

I think you could argue it's racist or xenophobic if it were targeted at a specific white ethnicity, like Welsh or Irish or Scottish slurs, but it's much more rooted in class, as far as I can tell.

Not for me but it's a very fine nuance

 

[version]

I think it's tough to argue it's racist as it's an insult used mostly by and for white people.

 

[linebaugh]

To close Ill say that yes its probably 'racist' in an intersectional way and what not like everything is but is that a practical understanding of the word? Is that how most people feel about it? At a certain point with these things you only get past them with intuition and grace rather than the endless pit of nuance

 

[version]

If you pull up definitions of the term, it just says it's an insult for "uneducated and/or antisocial, working class youths,"; it's like calling someone a "yob".

 

[catalog]

Well I don't agree with either of you but let's not let it get in the way of the Thursday night piss up.

 

[IdleRich]

I think catalog is hung up on it being a white specific term, but I dont think a word acknowledging race makes it inherently racist. This is a common hang up. My mom used to whisper the word 'mexican' when I was growing up.

What just in general? Like by saying that word she thought (or felt) she was doing something wrong?