catalog

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alright @catalog time for some signing ass white rappers (i don't like either of these guys)


Both of these are actually quite adjacent to stuff that I do occasionally listen to.

First one sounds like a pale imitation of yung lean. Less bright on the beats, not quite as good vocals.

And the second one, both really, remind me of Salem.

I can't really get massively into either Salem or yung lean, but I do like both a bit. We'll I like bladee more than yung lean. And theres a couple Salem tracks I think are very good.
 

catalog

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no also @catalog you listen to the tracks yet?

i did say before if you ever want my perspective on any of the tracks or artists in question you can ask away
Well id be interested in your perspective on both of those last 2. I mean I know you said you didn't like em but maybe a big more? . I think we're getting to the nub of the matter now in a way.
 

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i'm sure you've mentioned this before but why am i not surprised you loved the Beastie Boys
They're foundational for me cos I got into them aged 12 but what I've realised now is that almost every other def jam act was better.

But you can't go back.

There was a time when the supply was very limited. You got what you could really.
 

forclosure

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They're foundational for me cos I got into them aged 12 but what I've realised now is that almost every other def jam act was better.

But you can't go back.

There was a time when the supply was very limited. You got what you could really.
I get it they were the token white rappers and as much as they probably didn't like doing it everything about License to Ill right down to the classic rock samples was made to target white youts who otherwise would never check rap

and yeah lots of people love Paul's Boutique but that's cause they had how many years to process it also nobody listened to it at the time it came out
 

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Well id be interested in your perspective on both of those last 2. I mean I know you said you didn't like em but maybe a big more? . I think we're getting to the nub of the matter now in a way.
well i really don't like their vocal tones for one especially Sematary it's this combination of nasly white rapper voice with nasly pop punk lead singer that really grates on my ears, also i can't speak for the latter but Wicca Phase was the rhythm guitarist in a band called Tiger's Jaw before he became a rapper you compare it to say JuiceWrld who i never liked but he was a rapper first who just had outside influences beyond rap.

That guy it comes off like he started making rap music because nobody gives a shit about guitar music anymore which is what alot of this stuff is,its one part people taking the admittidly uncool rock music they loved when they were teens and mixing it with the rap music that they hated at first but seem to adore now.

I don't like Salem but i acknowledge that over the last decade they've been more influential on alot of music than many people expected i just wish any of it was something that i liked
 

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i suppose the word for this is Alienating but its alienating in the sense that the idea that people would take bands like new found glory and the like seriously is laughable to me cause those bands are terrible, i'm a young black man who grew up in north london(wood green to be specific) the suburbs may aswell be Mars for all that i know even as a child who was really into Eminem back in 99, whenever i saw Marilyn Manson i thought he was the corniest shit ever yet it seems that the only people for the longest time who still took him seriously were rappers and k-pop musicians.

tl:dr i don't see the white people vision
 

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also @catalog speaking as somebody who does have family in Sweden you would think i would have some level of empathy or interest towards bladee and yung lean but no they stink and i find the people who big him and drain gang up are like Rateyourmusic users who are into rap but only into the shit that nobody and i mean NOBODY off the internet listens to. (which goes into the point that Sargent D a metal blogger made years ago that white people have absolutly no middle ground when it comes to their tastes it rap)
 

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also it annoys me that there's people who will give bladee the time of day over any other black rapper be they from detroit or chicago or whatever because he makes himself androgynous looking by having clips in his hair and wearing a dress in music videos from time to time (there's a corner of the internet who genuinly believe that he's trans)
 

luka

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are there really people like that? you certainly hang out in some very strange corners of the internet is all i can say!
 

forclosure

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are there really people like that? you certainly hang out in some very strange corners of the internet is all i can say!
yes there are it's not like i search for these people i just end up running into them through other people that i know, shit that's how i ended up on this here forum!
 

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i mean shit @luka this is why i don't know if you remember but when i came down to hang with you barty and Simon the whole time i was like slightly bemused cause Simon's a nice guy and everything but somebody who has followed his writing from when time and has been invested and has opinions on his stuff should've been there instead of me lol
 

luka

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i dont see why? it's just a beer and a plate of noodles not a royal audience with the queen!
 

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i don't know the bladee gossip really. all i know is that when i went to see yung lean in manchester, i preferred bladee who was the warm up. that concert was really weird. a lot of kids extremely high, mouthing every word. sort of something to see.

the only beastie boy album is really liked was ill communication - i did get a few of the others later but none of em stuck, certainly not license to ill or paul's boutique, i thought check your head was better than both of those.

and yeah, re those tunes, i do see what you mean. i'm not really deep enough into any of this (apart from db obviously) to know the backstories and all that, appreciate the info.
 

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@catalog time for what i like to think of as "raw nerve raps"


i really like the first one, i like those whelps of "yeah". i like incidental sounds like that. where it's a crew but there's one guy doing the main bit and he's got a bit of support. not so sure about when it starts to get a bit more hectic, all very emotional. actually it's alright. he's angry about somethin galright, i can't tell what. but i'm into this one. love how he brings it down to sens e of calm again. it's putting a good picture in my head. i caught "polluted uprooted". it's all about god and the devil, good timeless themes. very breathless and the last vocal performance where they join one another is very good. really like this one, i'm probably a little bit too old for it. it feels timeless but i'm gonna say it is late 90s or early 2000s? i also really like the very simple production and how it's there all the time, with not much else going on, cos the vocal performance is so strong and good. i prefer this to the goody mob i think, if you see what i mean, it's not quite the same thing, but i bracket it with that over anything else (i guess it's similar to the previous two a little as well, but also better than both of them).

DMX - interesting choice - i guess you know he's a touchstone for DB? i always knew he was there, but i never knew a lot about him beyond what might have played on mtv base. yeah this is good, i like his gravelly and very clear voice - you can tell what he's on about. it's a decent beat and pace. chorus i'm not so sure about. that's a bit weak. the song is best when it's dmx making his points. i could get into this on a few listens.

"my mother, my father, i love em" - like how he alters his tone a bit there. there's a plaintive element to dmxs flow which makes him a more colourful listen. that variane is good. he also sounds to me like a few of the wu people. who i've probably listened to the most recently.

i think this pair more than any other pair you've posted is what i like the best. they are still not quite right, but i like the aggro, the tight percussion, the pacing, the subject matter. i would put both of these on a mix tomorrow.
 

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i really like the first one, i like those whelps of "yeah". i like incidental sounds like that. where it's a crew but there's one guy doing the main bit and he's got a bit of support. not so sure about when it starts to get a bit more hectic, all very emotional. actually it's alright. he's angry about somethin galright, i can't tell what. but i'm into this one. love how he brings it down to sens e of calm again. it's putting a good picture in my head. i caught "polluted uprooted". it's all about god and the devil, good timeless themes. very breathless and the last vocal performance where they join one another is very good. really like this one, i'm probably a little bit too old for it. it feels timeless but i'm gonna say it is late 90s or early 2000s? i also really like the very simple production and how it's there all the time, with not much else going on, cos the vocal performance is so strong and good. i prefer this to the goody mob i think, if you see what i mean, it's not quite the same thing, but i bracket it with that over anything else (i guess it's similar to the previous two a little as well, but also better than both of them).

DMX - interesting choice - i guess you know he's a touchstone for DB? i always knew he was there, but i never knew a lot about him beyond what might have played on mtv base. yeah this is good, i like his gravelly and very clear voice - you can tell what he's on about. it's a decent beat and pace. chorus i'm not so sure about. that's a bit weak. the song is best when it's dmx making his points. i could get into this on a few listens.

"my mother, my father, i love em" - like how he alters his tone a bit there. there's a plaintive element to dmxs flow which makes him a more colourful listen. that variane is good. he also sounds to me like a few of the wu people. who i've probably listened to the most recently.

i think this pair more than any other pair you've posted is what i like the best. they are still not quite right, but i like the aggro, the tight percussion, the pacing, the subject matter. i would put both of these on a mix tomorrow.
both tracks are from 2001, for clarifications sake who is DB?

its funny you pick those exact lyrics from "who we be" cause i remember somebody making the point that those bars are dark enough to be Swans lyrics, i don't really hear Wu at all with X he's from yonkers and the rappers from there tend to have more of a blunt rock aggression to them, i remember one podcast where J-Zone talked about how in his early days as a producer he would work with alot of yonkers guys (one of them a guy DMX battled with) and he described them as "tough but nice people"
 

catalog

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i did actually go see swans, a few years ago now, in leeds, but i left early. never managed it with em, had a go.
 

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sorry db is dean blunt. i'm trying not to say his name!

for the full story:

It's pervasive, this sort of music. You read accounts of people's travels everywhere, be it Africa, Asia, what have you, and they'll still hear American hiphop.

DB: Yeah, exactly. It's everywhere. And i think as much as UK garage and all these things were involved, this is very very very big music when I was growing up. Like, huge here. We had this crew and we all tried to dress like DMX, we'd all have bald heads and just sideburns [laughs]. We looked retarded, but it was all down to MTV and Hype Williams. So that's my memory of it, really.


although it could just be another tall story but he's said the same thing a few times in other places so i think not.
 

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re lyrics - after what danny said i'm trying to pick out the words a bit more. dmx is definitely easy to interpret.
 
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