luka

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the bit that struck me most about the derek bailey biography was his utter scorn and contempt for his black collegues when they started going 'soulful'. he thought it was a cheap and nasty gimmick (which he would typically undermine with bathos)
 

catalog

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I have a soft spot for arrested development, they were on the word. Along with en vogue who I also have a soft spot for. They're a bit corny, I wouldn't really ever listen to them now. They remind me, from that ear, of 4 non blondes. And spin doctors.
 

WebEschatology

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the bit that struck me most about the derek bailey biography was his utter scorn and contempt for his black collegues when they started going 'soulful'. he thought it was a cheap and nasty gimmick (which he would typically undermine with bathos)
never read this biography but i'd be interested to check it out its something of i dunno a quirk a fault or whatever when it comes to white jazz musicians (the older guys i can't speak for the youngers)
 

WebEschatology

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I have a soft spot for arrested development, they were on the word. Along with en vogue who I also have a soft spot for. They're a bit corny, I wouldn't really ever listen to them now. They remind me, from that ear, of 4 non blondes. And spin doctors.
PM Dawn i'm willing to bet you liked PM Dawn
 

WebEschatology

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i guess this is proof that being a soft lad/sweetboi is a lifelong thing and not just confined to 20 somethings who are into twee pop
 

luka

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its a bit like searching for a needle in a haystack but when i get out of bed i will see if i can find the relevant quote. partly it's about
him searching for a non idiomatic mode of playing and avoiding falling into the old routines. it's also to do with a fairly unforgiving materialism which treats anything smacking of religiosity or spirituality with intense suspicion and hostility
 

catalog

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I should stress, Web esc, I'm not a massive fan or anything, and it's all in the context of when things appeared. When pm Dawn were on top of the pops it was a big thing, very surprising to see. Same as when shai were on. Or the first backstreet appearance. Just a different flavour, a hint of what else was possible. Tricky of course was the main event in this way of being.

To look at it now on YouTube and say, oh my god, how sad, that is certainly a point of view, but it's limited, to me.
 

catalog

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alright @catalog given you enough breathing room we're getting back to this and i'm trying you with horrorcore


i like geto boys, i bought the album 'til death do us part' years ago. think i got it cos it was namechecked somewhere in connection with schoolly d who is one of my favourites.

this one on that album i really love, the relentlessness of it and variety of crew voices.


there's an almost black comedy / very over the top feel to geto boys, with the controlled and slow, deliberate flows plus the sound FX and samples, you can enjoy it on a slightly different level if that makes sense.

you sort of know what you're gonna get with them, they've found something to do and they do it well.

mr hyde i never heard of before, i prefer the melody of the geto boys one. this one's a bit more menacing, but also a bit more monotonous.

i also don't think the rapping is quite as good... it's a bit newer sounding?

i like both of these, prefer the first one.
 
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