Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Even in terms of individuals. Being maximally considerate, i.e. considering every demographic's perspective and pre-emptively accounting for everyone's responses to a decision you are about to make, is simply a liability, a liability that we liberals and progressives are more willing to incur than conservatives or reactionaries, generally.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Scale that up from individuals to firms, or multinational corporations, where it isn't just the executive qua decision-maker incurring a liability, but also everyone who has a stake in the business, and things make much more sense, albeit not hopefully.
 

version

Well-known member
I used to think of my position on capitalism as along the lines of Gaddis', that is...

"I’m frequently seen in the conservative press as being out there on the barricades shouting: Down with capitalism! I do see it in the end as really the most workable system we’ve produced. So what we’re talking about is not the system itself, but its abuses, I don’t mean criminal but the abundant abuses just within the letter of the law. The essential question is whether it can survive these abuses given free rein and whether these abuses are inherent in the system itself. I should think it is perfectly clear in my work—calling attention, satirizing these abuses—that our best hope lies in bringing things under better and more equitable control, cutting back the temptations to unmitigated greed and bemused dishonesty . . . in other words that these abuses the system has fostered are not essential, but running out of moral or ethical control can certainly threaten its survival."

... but at the moment, I can't see how you can separate the abuses from the system. They seem as much a part of it as anything else.
 

sus

Well-known member
Any value which you wish to preserve, in a competitive & evolving ecosystem, must be built into the selection mechanism, period. If it ain't the basis of who survives over iterated rounds, then it ain't gonna survive as a value.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
I used to think of my position on capitalism as along the lines of Gaddis', that is...

"I’m frequently seen in the conservative press as being out there on the barricades shouting: Down with capitalism! I do see it in the end as really the most workable system we’ve produced. So what we’re talking about is not the system itself, but its abuses, I don’t mean criminal but the abundant abuses just within the letter of the law. The essential question is whether it can survive these abuses given free rein and whether these abuses are inherent in the system itself. I should think it is perfectly clear in my work—calling attention, satirizing these abuses—that our best hope lies in bringing things under better and more equitable control, cutting back the temptations to unmitigated greed and bemused dishonesty . . . in other words that these abuses the system has fostered are not essential, but running out of moral or ethical control can certainly threaten its survival."

... but at the moment, I can't see how you can separate the abuses from the system. They seem as much a part of it as anything else.
Yeah something like embedded liberalism may be more in line with what I think you are supporting here. But the neoliberal discourse/attitude, i.e. that the state should just be the handmaiden of the economy, is what seems to be holding this approach back. (edit: namely whatever wealthy industrialists who lobby against a more regulated capitalism)
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
But there is truth to having an economy governed in part by private powers, seeing as private powers cannot set the law and can be challenged in ways that state powers cannot. @version I think you made a similar point a couple weeks ago, not sure though.
 

luka

Well-known member
Gus suffers, in a related but not identical way to Stan, from a desire to streamline his thought to the point that everything becomes a question of arithmatic
 

wild greens

Well-known member
Ignoring the mass hypotheticals in this thread and the "this will happen," is it something anyone really wants?

A new VR world to gestate at home in, or an immersive AR outer layer penetrating every moment of your existence

Rig your dynamic fleshlight up to your bluetooth and fuck in VR, spend your crypto on shitty art to stick up in your fake house

Sounds awful to me, we will be shitting in the three shells next
 

sus

Well-known member
And this can be done with blockchain to unprecedented extents.
The tough part, as always, is translating reality into code. If you wanna legislate the Real on-chain, you need to compress and process it first.

(This is why AGI isn't coming anytime soon: we don't have the raw data to create a simulation of the Real over which they can train and optimize)
 

sus

Well-known member
thinking in terms as simplistic as this isn't going to get us very far is it
"simplistic" Get evo-pilled or gtfo, you're acting like the fundamental law of the universe is "simple"—it ain't; it's fundamental.

Whatever the environment allows to survive, survives.
 

luka

Well-known member
one of the problems you have with thinking is that you are good at systematic logical and meticulous thought, and you do it for its own sake with no concern for reality whatsoever. so it all becomes arithmatic relating to nothing outside of itself
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
The meta-verse is in people like Blake, or the absurd metaphysics you find yourself watching in philosophy of physics lectures during a night shift at 3 am
 
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