Backstage

suspended

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We've talked about the front stage and performance, the way we make ourselves legible or illegible strategically (to resist taxation regimes, to get a foul call in football). We've talked about masks.

Let's talk about the backstage. What goes on behind the masks. What happens to you when you're luxuriating in privacy. When you let your guard down. What you can't help thinking to yourself, during bad dinner party conversation. Interiority.

Do you see images in your minds eye, or do you have aphantasia? Do you think in complete sentences, or mixed media? Is it quiet and still there, or is it always buzzing, you need drugs or alcohol to calm it down? When are you able to be vulnerable? Do you deceive yourself? Have you gone to psychoanalysis? If so, did you get anything out of it? What are your moods like? Does the backstage cycle through selves, or just the front?

Or do you take offense to the front and backstage division? Do you find it schizophrenic, splintered? Is your mask well-integrated with your spirit?

This is a thread to do phenomenology in, a thread to talk about feelings, a thread to talk about the hidden life.
 

luka

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the texture of inner life is completely different now. it is both flat and transparent.
 

Clinamenic

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Zizek has made points about this, how putting on a mask lets you be yourself in ways you may not be able to, were you to not let yourself take on a role.

So perhaps behind the mask is a pluripotent player, a generic subject not yet differentiated into this or that character, unassigned to a role.
 

luka

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Zizek has made points about this, how putting on a mask lets you be yourself in ways you may not be able to, were you to not let yourself take on a role.

So perhaps behind the mask is a pluripotent player, a generic subject not yet differentiated into this or that character, unassigned to a role.
sometimes you can actually feel the new player taking the seat. eg aha, The Writer has returned, and with it you feel all those powers and potentials proper to that player flood back in too
 

suspended

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Why are we flat? This seems like an unsubstantiated claim. What did we used to have? Is it screen immersion, a constant stimulation and engagement that means we never sit around with ourselves?

Another thing—what's up with the voices in our head? Are they distinct entities? Hallucinations? Are they parts of our brain talking to us? Should we trust them?
 

luka

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but there are variations in the degree of clarity and transparency. how clean the contact is.
 

luka

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Why are we flat? This seems like an unsubstantiated claim. What did we used to have? Is it screen immersion, a constant stimulation and engagement that means we never sit around with ourselves?
yes the shrinking of time etc
 

Clinamenic

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Why are we flat? This seems like an unsubstantiated claim. What did we used to have? Is it screen immersion, a constant stimulation and engagement that means we never sit around with ourselves?

Another thing—what's up with the voices in our head? Are they distinct entities? Hallucinations? Are they parts of our brain talking to us? Should we trust them?
I think it’s a worthwhile effort to think beyond words, to let thought flow without being articulated into words. Incidentally this can let you advance conceptually much faster, I.e think faster than you can articulate your thought, but the primary benefit I think is that it lets you more easily see through the realm of ideas.
 

Clinamenic

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Seeing through the realm of ideas is paradoxically what let me better understand one of the more challenging ideas I’ve encountered, namely dialectical materialism. Seeing through the realm of ideas, the process of which I’ve referred to as deneuroticization, let me better understand some of the arguments thirdform was constantly making, about consciousness being post-festum to material reality.

The proletariat is not an idea, it is. Etc. Not sure if that is a Marx quote or if it came from somewhere else.
 

luka

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i think ive talked with Stan before about the intersection with larger consciousnesses intersect with god-mind
 

Clinamenic

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I think it’s a worthwhile effort to think beyond words, to let thought flow without being articulated into words. Incidentally this can let you advance conceptually much faster, I.e think faster than you can articulate your thought, but the primary benefit I think is that it lets you more easily see through the realm of ideas.
Beyond thinking in words, you may think mathematically, spatio-diagrammatically, but even this is the ideal realm.
 
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