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So long since a saw a smile

 

[sus]

this is what my most fruity poem is about, being in the middle of this terrible attack and trying to keep it at bay and feeling the bad thing
entering our world. and then a short while after they invented the virus

What's the name of this "fruity" poem

 

[luka]

i never really came up with a satisfactory title. i had to write it to ward off the attacks and regain control. i did it over christmas one year i cant remember which year now.

 

[luka]

2019 it must have been according to this

The Pink Temple

The book of what cannot be spoken. Compromised geometry. Struggled to justify. Curved stone. Signalled our intent wanted to be perfect...

deepmeditationtherapy.blogspot.com

 

[luka]

i wrote it as a series of text messages to myself. i was staying in the house i grew up in at the time and reading childrens books
(wizard of earthsea troligy)

 

[Clinamenic]

as you can see i am very psychicially sensitive and was picking up the vibrations from the future

Or maybe your ability to read the present has a shorter latency than most people’s abilities. Could be another way of framing the classic poet/prophet phenomenon.

 

[sus]

i wrote it as a series of text messages to myself. i was staying in the house i grew up in at the time and reading childrens books
(wizard of earthsea troligy)

Very "alt lit" I like it

 

[luka]

Or maybe your ability to read the present has a shorter latency than most people’s abilities. Could be another way of framing the classic poet/prophet phenomenon.

yeah theres various ways you can jiggle it.

 

[luka]

Seeing through the realm of ideas is paradoxically what let me better understand one of the more challenging ideas I’ve encountered, namely dialectical materialism. Seeing through the realm of ideas, the process of which I’ve referred to as deneuroticization, let me better understand some of the arguments thirdform was constantly making, about consciousness being post-festum to material reality.

The proletariat is not an idea, it is. Etc. Not sure if that is a Marx quote or if it came from somewhere else.

"Poems in The White Stones describe the frozen tundra – in “Aristeas”; the point is that a few thousand years ago Britain was also tundra. Our social order is therefore the product of thermal packing, the shift where the air and soil became warm enough for water to take liquid form and permit humus and agriculture. Our sedentary way of life follows from that – from geology, from the rate of heat flux. Our states of mind are sequels to this. Geology is social structure – sediment is sentiment. This is, it follows, poetry about the landscape."

Review - High and Lonesome: Three Books: Crozier, Prynne, James

Andrew Duncan High and Lonesome : Three Books: John James, Striking the Pavilion of Zero, J.H. Prynne, High Pink on Chrome ; Andrew Crozier...

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[sufi]

my head is always completely empty. no pictures and no words.

i was thinking that the performative one has always been around - before we have this scintillating glittering murmurating channel, you'd still be talking yourself through things,
some people can't help commentating all the time whether they are playing or watching footer or not, it's easy to keep a didactic voice going in your head as you cook or assemble ikea flat pack, a kind of inner keith floyd or kevin Mccloud - it's just that now that inner tv chef/sports commentator/quiz host can get a life of it's own out here on the internet...

 

[luka]

I as a child I would commentate on, for example, pushing the shopping trolley through Tesco.

"Wonderful cornering from Davis" or walking really fast through the crowds, weaving and swerving, in Stratford Shopping Centre, or kicking a ball against a wall

 

[sufi]

I as a child I would commentate on, for example, pushing the shopping trolley through Tesco.

"Wonderful cornering from Davis" or walking really fast through the crowds, weaving and swerving, in Stratford Shopping Centre, or kicking a ball against a wall

Yes that is EXACTLY what i was getting at. Thank you

 

[sus]

I think Bateson would say that ideas like "the proletariat" are forms, they are patterns, which are both subjective (in their pragmatic relevance) and objective (in their factual ordering).

 

[luka]

I think Bateson would say that ideas like "the proletariat" are forms, they are patterns, which are both subjective (in their pragmatic relevance) and objective (in their factual ordering).

Eh?

 

[sus]

Eh?

I'm about to enter a meeting but when it's over I'll explain

 

[sus]

Eh?

Form = an arrangement or ordering. Not the matter but the structuring of matter.

Pragmatic relevance = instrumental value to the needs and desires of the observer. Whether we consider something ordered or disordered is partially to do with our project. E.g., if I took all the coffee mugs and put them in a grid in the middle of the kitchen floor, Nico my live-in maid might judge that "disordered" whereas I would judge it ordered.

Or, I could take all the letters in this message right now and arrange them alphabetically aaaaaaabbbcccccdddd etc and they'd be "ordered" but also they wouldn't mean anything, so the specific mode of structuring, and which types of structures are considered "orderly" is partly subjective judgment

On the other hand, you can run a prediction algorithm at ordered structures, where its only goal is prediction, and there will be more objectively ordered states, where it can better predict the next character in sequence, and less ordered where it cannot, like "xkn1j48x"

 

[luka]

What's this got to do with anything?

 

[sus]

Stan was weighing in on whether ideas are "real" whether they exist "in the world" or just in people's minds

 

[luka]

Oh, I probably didn't read that

 

[sus]

It's OK I didn't read your post either