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WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Anyone have any thoughts on this stuff about the "serotonin theory of depression" allegedly being disproved?
uk.news.yahoo.com
Here's the study itself,
www.nature.com
Low serotonin levels may not directly cause depression, study says
The new review of existing studies found that the condition is not likely caused by a chemical imbalance
Here's the study itself,
The serotonin theory of depression: a systematic umbrella review of the evidence - Molecular Psychiatry
The serotonin hypothesis of depression is still influential. We aimed to synthesise and evaluate evidence on whether depression is associated with lowered serotonin concentration or activity in a systematic umbrella review of the principal relevant areas of research. PubMed, EMBASE and PsycINFO...
www.nature.com
Clinamenic
The Wild Drunkard
I'm not familiar with this study, or with the thesis it is disproving, but my initial take on any neurotransmitter-based theories of emotion is that they'd need to be pretty holistic to be saying anything meaningful. There is just so much combinatoric complexity, plus synaptic logic can be excitatory or inhibitive, so a given neurotransmitter can ostensibly have opposite effects in different circumstances.
Mark would probably feel vindicated reading this.
Why mental health is a political issue | Mark Fisher
Mark Fisher: With news that suicides among older men are rising, it makes no sense to deny links between depression and economic insecurity
www.theguardian.com
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
You might expect to see it in a population overly exposed to mdma over consecutive decades but nope
It’s a bit like drugs like paroxetine/seroxat - profoundly ineffective based on (now) ancient data. Had a client once who’d been on paroxetine for 22 years without a single medication review
Couple of significant issues are the levels of undiagnosed trauma and acute stress within any given population, where depression presents (despise that term) as low mood but not enough life mapping is conducted. Millions of people are given medication instead of being referred to a specialist for a deeper dive into their minds
It’s a bit like drugs like paroxetine/seroxat - profoundly ineffective based on (now) ancient data. Had a client once who’d been on paroxetine for 22 years without a single medication review
Couple of significant issues are the levels of undiagnosed trauma and acute stress within any given population, where depression presents (despise that term) as low mood but not enough life mapping is conducted. Millions of people are given medication instead of being referred to a specialist for a deeper dive into their minds
Clinamenic
The Wild Drunkard
@WashYourHands what do you think about guided psychedelic therapy sessions? For different things, depression, PTSD, etc.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
all for it, questions abound about context for seeking it, suitability of guides, screening for undiagnosed schizo-affective conditions
ideally love to see the NHS involve or graft these processes into its systems somehow but immediately you’re into an industrial scale operation and therein be dragons
ironically @Clinamenic emdr 2.0 has taken the psychedelic guide session model and adapted its framework for trauma work - conclusions equate to shorter durations for healing, more intensive sessions with a team rather than a single therapist and therefore less “sets”
The effect of EMDR versus EMDR 2.0 on emotionality and vividness of aversive memories in a non-clinical sample
Background: Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR) therapy is a treatment meant to reduce vividness and emotionality of distressing memories. There is accumulating evidence that working memory taxation is the core of the working mechanism ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Clinamenic
The Wild Drunkard
Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing? I'd imagine there could be some interesting applications for VR headsets here.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Already been done for veterans but not the rest, called 3mdr
Clinamenic
The Wild Drunkard
I don't get it - what does EMDR 2 involve that EMDR doesn't? Psychedelics?
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
If you‘re interested there’s a huge research gap applying it to the general population but with irl sexual abuse history it could get very Gus Hotel and fast
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
emdr = 1 patient and 1 therapist over months
emdr 2.0 = 6 patients, 3/4 therapists + support team over a week
they took all the psychedelic session models and used emdr instead of specific compounds
solid results with at least one British health board completing successful trials in March
Absolutely, the medicalization of mental illness has been a crime against humanity.Mark would probably feel vindicated reading this.
Why mental health is a political issue | Mark Fisher
Mark Fisher: With news that suicides among older men are rising, it makes no sense to deny links between depression and economic insecurity
Mr. Tea
Shub-Niggurath, Please
Really tricky one, that, because according to some people's idea of what mental illness is, anyone depressed enough to be suicidal is severely mentally ill, and therefore in no fit state to be making decisions about their own treatment. A literal Catch-22, in other words. But really, if someone has, say, an incurable condition that means they have no quality of life at all, then wanting to die could be considered the only rational option - or, to flip it, you could say someone would have to be mad to want to live like that.