Medicalisation

luka

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and the widespread acceptance of the notion that psy-ops and social engineering are a constant presence in our lives, are the major ode of social control, and are in the service of an overarching project with definite aims which are inherently anti-human.
 

snav

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I do think the cultural atmosphere of medical expertise and diagnosis can, in the mind of the lay patient, reify the very ailment/condition that the diagnosis posits, which in turn bolsters the whole industrial complex.
yeah, I push back against this a lot, sometimes on Twitter. Even crotchety old Freud was aware of this, and called it "gain of illness": now you have a new identity you can enjoy. what would you be without "your depression"? nothing, I guess.

That's something that's actively pushed back against in some forms of therapy. You're told you aren't whatever issue you're being treated for and that you should think of it as something separate, "the anxiety" rather than "my anxiety".
this one is a new one for me, but i like it slightly better, because it shifts the position of the subject: "my" anxiety implies it's something that you "possess" whereas "the" anxiety places you "further back", as an observer, so you can gain some empirical evidence about your problems and do something to fix it.

the risk with this framing is that someone makes a stupid cartoon featuring themselves as powerless against "the anxiety" like this one i just threw together (and then go back to the therapist for meds, because they're powerless, remember?)1638977966135.png
 

woops

is not like other people
what would you be without "your depression"? nothing, I guess.

really? does even the most depressed person really think there's nothing to them except the condition? do they not have a notion that there might be a self without the symptoms that might be capable of doing something other than being depressed? this seems like a step to far into the dark side to me.
 

snav

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really? does even the most depressed person really think there's nothing to them except the condition? do they not have a notion that there might be a self without the symptoms that might be capable of doing something other than being depressed? this seems like a step to far into the dark side to me.
without their depression, they'd have to take personal responsibility for the fact that they just spent a month doing nothing. this is a hard pill to swallow, a lot harder than prozac, speaking from experience.
 

woops

is not like other people
without their depression, they'd have to take personal responsibility for the fact that they just spent a month doing nothing. this is a hard pill to swallow, a lot harder than prozac, speaking from experience.
i'd consider it a month well spent if it resulted in me being less / not depressed at the end of it myself
 

wektor

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without their depression, they'd have to take personal responsibility for the fact that they just spent a month doing nothing. this is a hard pill to swallow, a lot harder than prozac, speaking from experience.
from there it can really go both ways, don't you think?
a common method would be to splice it up into smaller chunks of time/smaller responsibilities so every possible defeat feels a little less significant and less demotivating
 

snav

Well-known member
really? does even the most depressed person really think there's nothing to them except the condition? do they not have a notion that there might be a self without the symptoms that might be capable of doing something other than being depressed? this seems like a step to far into the dark side to me.
to give a different answer, looking instead at the "nothing to them" rather than the "depression": one of the big causes of depression is the creation of a "fantasy" or "imagined" self, which you believe you are (creating grandiosity), and then occasionally fail to live up to, shattering your self-image (causing depression). think "gifted kid syndrome". because it feels like one's whole self is shattered when the veneer of the image fails, it can absolutely feel during a depressive episode that there is "no self there" -- and they may be right (temporarily), to the extent that you are what you do
 

woops

is not like other people
from there it can really go both ways, don't you think?
a common method would be to splice it up into smaller chunks of time/smaller responsibilities so every possible defeat feels a little less significant and less demotivating
good point as they reckon all-or-nothing is a habit of depressive thought, don't they
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
In the pharmacy earlier and out of the thousands of cough and cold remedies they flog, none of them work

Medicalisation of the sniffles, a linctus for a hundred varieties of cough, creams for different skins types and that doesn’t even begin to touch on the intersections between beauty products and medical terminology. Just look at lotions, none of them actualise fuck all constructive or positive other than E45

You go to buy a box of cotton buds and then, from behind a shelf, a voice offered up that olive oil was a better remedy (it is, but not every fuckin day you sledge)
 

luka

Well-known member
The chemical you squirt up your nose works and so does pseudoephedrine. Or works for me in any case.
 

luka

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ive got some benilyn 4 flu tablets theyre pretty good. knock you out though.
 

luka

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theres been a couple of times over the corona period ive felt like a cold might be trying to break into my organism and when i feel it at the perimeter trying to get in i stick the nozzle up my nose or i do the pseudoephedrine. then the cold slopes off defeated.
 

luka

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this one is the biggest pisstake.

oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) – this is defined by negative and disruptive behaviour, particularly towards authority figures, such as parents and teachers
 

woops

is not like other people
this one is the biggest pisstake.

oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) – this is defined by negative and disruptive behaviour, particularly towards authority figures, such as parents and teachers
Police, doctors, politicians, landlords
 
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