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wild greens

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Did a search but not really anything about them on here, or if there is it's a throwaway comment or two. I did see them called crude and artless in one thread, I agree with half of that statement- this is high art to me ha. Loads of really basic stuff on the early albums but prodigious work-rate from Beats By The Pound/KLC (surely the star of the show) means that most of the albums from 97/98 have at least a couple of mad beats on them. Really dated and cheap-sounding in places but that adds to the whole experience really

I reckon there are really only 3 consistent years- 97-99- though there is good stuff after it they suffer from losing in-house production and obviously imploding like these things always do. The Snoop albums aren't great, I can't listen to Kane & Able personally, can't get into them, there's a weird Master P album where he raps in a Scarface accent for 70% of it for some reason? (Last Don). Quality control isn't really there at all but that's why it works most of the time.

The album art means the catalogue has ended up being looked at as a meme but this aesthetic has been robbed and updated now, regardless of how scruffy it is.


Master P is obviously the centrepoint of it but I don't really like his solo albums that much- Mac, Fiend & Mystikal stuff has aged a lot better. Every album has dozens of features though so even the solo albums feel like crew albums sometimes. Good impromptu, rushed energy. In-house production means this all makes a crew become a sealed universe. I will say that there are a few bits where they're blatantly ripping off other beats just to pad out the albums though (What You Need off the Mercedes album is a good example). God knows how much work they had Beats By The Pound doing in the end. Lots of early precursors to other styles

I love this era just before the Neptunes style takes over- the same vibe is there on the Hot Boys albums for Cash Money, the early Ruff Ryders stuff etc. The tank/army imagery is a bit shit and all the films are awful as well but who cares about any of that



That'll do for now
 

forclosure

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P is funny for me cause i think he's got his moments here and there, of course its all 2Pac ticks and whoever he decided to copy and pilfer from but like he's more of a rapper than Birdman has ever been and yet for some reason people take him more seriously than P as a rapper.

i think The Ghettos tryin to kill me is interesting cuase it's got this all consuming sense of paranoia about it, you might like his stuff from his time in the bay area better
 

forclosure

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@wild greens also i suggest you check out Mo B. Dick's solo stuff it's weirder than you'd expect it to be also what no love for Mia X? cmon man she's great

The Army stuff is kinda wack but C Murder and Mystikal were both Gulf War veterans also i feel like the tank is a great symbol for what they represented at their peak just this trundling behemoth that sought to crush all opposition in its wake
 

forclosure

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I like Fiend as a rapper and i really like his International Jones partially cause of how different it is to his more famous stuff (you wouldn't think a guy with his bark would be a great baritone singer) but i have no idea what to make of this beat?(still haven't decided if i like it or not)

 

wild greens

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Fair point re C Murder & Mystikal. I just think when you end up skipping songs called "Camouflage Love" etc, they're scraping a barrel a bit there

I got into this stuff way past when it actually came out so not really that sure on what it was like at the time- I don't think it resonated as much outside of America but I might be wrong?

Will check out Mo B Dick. I have got Gangsta Harmony on the hard drive but don't think I've listened to it yet. He's got a "so bad it's good" one on the Major Players comp
 

luka

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its definitely the worst, cheapest, nastiest music ever made but there are a few undeniable bits in there, that are good precisely becasue of how cheap and nasty they are. g-funk rip offs.
 

luka

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take g-funk, the most expensive sounding overproduced music in the genre, and do a really horrible sounding, cheap sounding casio keyboard rip off of it. genius really.
 

wild greens

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I agree with everything you said except worst, it's great

Tbh that does apply to the really early stuff but by the time beats by the pound take over its mostly hi-hat futurism, just still cheap
 

bassbeyondreason

Chtonic Fatigue Syndrome
Not as good as the original, pre-No Limit "Payback" but this still rules, transition point between bounce and the late 90s sound.

 

forclosure

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I agree with everything you said except worst, it's great

Tbh that does apply to the really early stuff but by the time beats by the pound take over its mostly hi-hat futurism, just still cheap
i dunno about futurism especially compared to what Mannie Fresh was doing around the same time, their stuff comes across like a mutant version of what Studio Ton, Khyree Shaheed, Rick Rock and all those Bay Area mobb music guys were doing in the 90s, funky but lacking the smoothness and lumbering basslines of g-funk
 

forclosure

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Fair point re C Murder & Mystikal. I just think when you end up skipping songs called "Camouflage Love" etc, they're scraping a barrel a bit there

I got into this stuff way past when it actually came out so not really that sure on what it was like at the time- I don't think it resonated as much outside of America but I might be wrong?

Will check out Mo B Dick. I have got Gangsta Harmony on the hard drive but don't think I've listened to it yet. He's got a "so bad it's good" one on the Major Players comp
could be but the whole story as to how Master P even founded No Limit is American personified https://www.theringer.com/2021/4/19...t=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

oi @suspended put the Lana del ray down and read this
 

wild greens

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i dunno about futurism especially compared to what Mannie Fresh was doing around the same time, their stuff comes across like a mutant version of what Studio Ton, Khyree Shaheed, Rick Rock and all those Bay Area mobb music guys were doing in the 90s, funky but lacking the smoothness and lumbering basslines of g-funk

I dunno, i think that at least from 97 onwards they are part of the modern context at least, as opposed to re-doing worn out styles

I think a lot of it is quite futuristic or at least unique for the time
 

forclosure

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Did you watch the documentary series - No Limit Chronicles - it is pretty good. It was on BET on Sky but is in all the usual places

I haven't done the Ruff Ryders one yet
i haven't no be interesting to hear what stories they do bring up

no chance in hell in hell they brought up the story about Pimp C getting pistol whipped
 

sus

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oi @suspended put the Lana del ray down and read this
I feel like you can understand why a Protestant northern European country hick like myself would struggle to connect with music about gangstas and pistol whipping. Unless of course I exoticize it, which seems troubling for obvious reasons...
 
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luka

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I feel like you can understand why a Protestant northern European country hick like myself would struggle to connect with music about gangstas and pistol whipping. Unless of course I exoticize it, which seems troubling for obvious reasons...
ive never understood this line of reasoning
 
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