Nope it's Marianne Moore. I love that last line!
well you can look at it as high modernism re asserting the epic grand narratives before all the postmodernist stuffH.D. is a good call (read Sea Garden recently and I love it), also Pound - I got the poem from that Confucius to Cummings anthology he compiled. I do have a soft spot for modernist retro stuff, 'make it new' and all that.
followed as day follows night, by someone cleverer than me pointing out that the "end of grand narratives" constitutes yet another GN - most or all post modern innovations are present in modernism - "post" modernism is a phase of modernism itself,well you can look at it as high modernism re asserting the epic grand narratives before all the postmodernist stuff
i dunno youre probably right. im using the "high" thing to differentiate your early 20th types from the morass of the modern stan @Clinamenic was on about the other dayWas thinking with the punctuation, it appears 'eccentric' in a sort of Emily Dickinson or William Blake sort of way, but it surely comes from a more knowing, studied, self aware, ironic position by that point (1959) therefore tipping it more into the postmodern category rather than modernist. (or is that what you'd call 'high' modernist?)
to which i immediately offered the riposteBut yeah we have traces of modern culture strewn about history, likely centuries if not millennia before modernism proper. I tend of think of modernism proper gaining steam with Luther, the printing press, Galileo, becoming philosophically canonized by the likes of Descartes, etc.
And then over the following centuries, this kind of thinking became normalized, IE lost its novelty as contradistinguished against Catholic cosmological dogma. This normalization of secular values and epistemologies resets the stage for post-modern culture to gain momentum, although again there are still cases to be made for early instances of postmodern thought, IE artists and thinkers who personally "passed through" these phases philosophically, following some sublime avant-garde instinct, afforded by the ability to distance oneself from what is normalized around them, and contextualize it all within a larger development, in order to probe beyond it.
and he posted loads more times here i was just trying to differentiate between stan's definition and what is normally called modernism literary modernism woolf pound stein eliot etc you know what im talking about, the term "high" modernism is not my own but might be suitableid differentiate between modernity and modernism
Proper minefield, very confusing.
Read Hamlet for first time the other day funnily enough, I suppose the play within a play thing is another example
Early novels were all often quite playful - stopping to talk to the reader, drawing attention to its own artifice. It’s something that remains well into the 19th C. I was reading a Trollope the other day that used many of these ideas - realism rises in the 19thC and for some it is what defines the novel - most novels read these days aspire for some kind of realism - maybe not the self conscious ironising ones we prefer over here but for most people read novels that are’true to life’ whether it be William Boyd, Ian McEwan, JoJo Moyes or Miriam Keyes.through the mists of time I can recall vague memories of an Eng Lit degree where I was informed by the lecturer or tutor, whatever, that Laurence Sterne's Tristam Shandy was the first "postmodern" novel ( 1760 ish? too drunk to recall correctly )
make of that what you will