Epstein, Ghislaine, High Royal Highness Airmiles Andy, Trump, Clinton etc

IdleRich

IdleRich
I know this is being discussed in bits in all of the other threads but it feels like it could have its own dedicated one right?

This is the story as I understand it... Epstein somehow persuaded loads of really rich and important people to give him loads of money to invest on their behalf despite his having no real experience of such investing. He got busted for being a paedo but, unusually for such matters, he got away with a slap on the wrist and was allowed to carry on as usual. It turned out that he was good friends with people such as Bill Clinton, Trump and a person whose name I won't mention but he is the son of the queen of England and he doesn't sweat and his name rhymes with randy if you shorten it.

Then he got caught again for paedoing and this time he was arrested and it looked as though he was going to properly go down - his lifestyle would undergo a slight change from that of a multimultimillionaire doing exactly what he wanted all of the time, to surviving on a diet of broken glass and his own broken glass filled shit that he would be forced to suck off the ends of multiple dicks that just been plunged deep into his filthy noncey ringpiece.

And while awaiting sentencing he was either murdered by one of the many rich and powerful paedo friends he had, or, he decided he wasn't that keen on the lifestyle I described above and took the easy way out. You've got to imagine both are possible, like Hillary had just overpowered his guards and was breaking into his cell to silence him once and for all... but she noticed that he was hanging himself anyhow and she just kinda turned round and tiptoed away.

Anyway, Epstein's ex-girlfriend is a lovely fragrant lady by the name of Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Captain Bob who is most famous for stealing the Mirror Group pensions fund and then disappearing at sea and/or drowning before he could face justice. I now keep seeing rumours that Robert Maxwell was an Israeli spy but this is a very new one on me, I don't think anyone said that at the time did they? Anyone know anything about this?

Anyhow, the point is, Ghislaine has been tracked down after a half-hearted low-speed chase and brought to book for the crime of procuring and trafficking countless young girls for Epstein and his noncey friends and although most of the newspapers seemed to forget that the trial was happening and covered it in the most half-hearted of ways, they have now had to admit that she has been found guilty and some stuff is gonna happen. But what?

I've hardly seen any fall out from the trial. I HAVE learned that Trump flew way more times on Epstein's private jet than was previously the case. And we know that various of the young girls involved have accused both Trump and Prince Andrew (oops) of knobbing them when they were underage. Certainly there are loads of pics of Trump with Epstein and quotes he ought to regret such as "They say he likes young girls almost as much as me" plus plenty of pics of HRH with the underage girls who accused him of preying on them.

Also Boris Johnson's sister wrote a piece in the Telegraph saying that she felt sorry for Ghislaine (is that even a name?) and which kinda seemed to imply that her brother - the PM, Boris Johnson - had gone out with Ghislaine when they were at university together (Bangor I think it was). Also the BBC are in trouble cos they put Dershowitz (is he the worst man in the world?) on the radio and let him comment on the case saying that Maxwell had been unfairly treated. They described him as "a constitutional lawyer" although it somehow slipped their memory that he is also accused alongside Epstein (his defence, that he kept his pants on while being massaged by an underage trafficked girl has got to be one of the least inspiring ever) - oh yeah and he represented Trump in his impeachment trial much to the howls of rage from Q Anon types (which somehow didn't happen).

Anyway, the latest headline in the Guardian says that a load of documents relating to Epstein which were sealed after the previous cases are now gonna be unsealed while Airmiles Andy is desperately trying every trick in the book to not get involved. I love that he said Giuffre should not be able to sue him in the US cos she has spent a lot of time living in Australia over the last ten years. I mean, who wouldn't be happy and reassured to know that a member of the royal family escaped being proven a paedophile on a technicality like that? Blocking evidence against yourself on the grounds of a tenuous technicality is absolutely the first action of any innocent man as all Trumpers know.

Anyway, the unsealing is being used by Andy (oops again) and his lawyers to try and protect him

Andrew filed Giuffre’s settlement with Epstein as part of his attempt to dismiss her case, arguing that it shields him. Lawyers for the prince contend the settlement contains provisions that bar Giuffre from taking legal action against many Epstein associates.
The unsealed settlement states that upon receipt of the stipulated sum, Giuffre, referred to under her maiden name, agrees to “remise, release, acquit, satisfy and forever discharge the said second parties and any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant … from all, and all manner of, action and actions of Virginia Roberts, including state or federal, cause and causes of action”.

This is a weird one for me. How could someone (Giuffre) sign some agreement with Epstein which means that she effectively gives immunity to Andrew (and others)? I thought that with some crimes one was obliged to testify as they are deemed to be against the state as well as the individual? You can't say "I'm not pressing charges against that guy who murdered my mum" even if it is your mum, and I thought equally you shouldn't be able to say "I won't testify against a nonce cos some other guy gave me 500k ten years ago" cos that is not fair against all of that nonce's other victims.

Anyway what have I missed out? What is gonna happen next.... help me out here and let me know the answers to the following questions... was Robert Maxwell really an Israeli spy? How come Q don't seem to care that Trump is mates with and was defended by a mate of Epstein? Am I reading it right, is Ghislaine a former girlfriend of that walking arsehole who pretends to be our prime minister? Is there any chance that HRH *ndrew will go down? How about Trump or Clinton or anyone? Why didn't the papers report on the trial? Why is Alan Dershowitz a cunt in so many different ways at once?
 

william_kent

Well-known member
The Wikipedia page on Robert Maxwell has the following - they are allegations but the last sentence is telling...

The Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[48] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: "He has done more for Israel than can today be told."
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
"telling" - good choice of word, that sentence is indeed very telling.
Didn't Jimmy Savile address the Knesset at one time? How the fuck did that happen? All we need now is to discover that he was Epstein's long lost brother or something and the circle will be truly closed.
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
On the payoff thing - the basic point is that what's happening at the moment is a civil case to determine whether or not Andy owes Giuffre damages for any noncing that may or may not have occurred. This isn't the same as a criminal case to determine whether or not he should do time because he's a nonce. We're all treating it as being equivalent, because getting the real thing would presumably require him to be extradited to the US to stand trial, which ain't gonna happen, but the actual purpose of the case is fundamentally different. A prior agreement wouldn't hold any water in getting him off the hook for criminal charges, but it might be enough to get a civil suit thrown out, on the grounds that she's signed herself off as already satisfied with the damages that she's received for anything that might have happened...
 

william_kent

Well-known member
Jim'll fix it:

His ten-day visit to Israel in 1975, when he met President Ephraim Katzir and Jerusalem mayor Teddy Kollek, was organised by John Levy of the Friends of Israel Educational Trust.

Sir Jimmy recalled his advice to the Israelis: "I arrived at this reception. The president came to me and asked how I was enjoying my visit.I said I was very disappointed: the Israelis had won the Six Day War but they had given back all the land, including the only oil well in the region, and were now paying the Egyptians more for oil than if they had bought it from Saudi Arabia.

"I said: 'You have forgotten to be Jewish'. He said: 'Would you like to tell my cabinet that?' Next morning, I went to the Knesset; they interrupted a cabinet meeting and I told them the same as I had told him."

Mr Levy recalled: "He was a gorgeous, impish, creative character. Of course, he was an egomaniac, but he was incredibly generous. He wanted to film us walking from Jerusalem to Bethlehem, so there are these scenes trudging the Judean Hills. He had many close Jewish friends, he was a real philosemite. When we returned, I asked him to be a 'Friend' of the Trust and he insisted that I listed him as 'Special Friend'."
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
On the payoff thing - the basic point is that what's happening at the moment is a civil case to determine whether or not Andy owes Giuffre damages for any noncing that may or may not have occurred. This isn't the same as a criminal case to determine whether or not he should do time because he's a nonce. We're all treating it as being equivalent, because getting the real thing would presumably require him to be extradited to the US to stand trial, which ain't gonna happen, but the actual purpose of the case is fundamentally different. A prior agreement wouldn't hold any water in getting him off the hook for criminal charges, but it might be enough to get a civil suit thrown out, on the grounds that she's signed herself off as already satisfied with the damages that she's received for anything that might have happened...
Ah ok, thanks Slothrop, I think that that is the first time I've seen it reported as a civil rather than criminal trial. Crazy really how little has been said in the mainstream press about the trial of this woman who is related to one of the world's biggest supernonces and also to Prince Airmiles or England. Why is it that the papers are barely touching it and so to get any information on the subject I have to rely on experts and specialists in the field* such as yourself.


*obviously here I mean the field (or in fact group of fields in this case) consisting of foreign trials, the way the media conspires to cover up for paedo princes, Ghislaine Maxwell and so on. I'm not in any way suggesting that you Slothrop are an expert in the field of nonces.
 

Leo

Well-known member
I mentioned this a long time ago but one of my best friends is Ghislaine's cousin, his mom and hers were sisters. He'd often go for a summer visit to the Maxwell's estate as a kid. I also remember him telling me long (before anyone had heard of Epstein) that he had this rich cousin who would sometimes fly from London to NYC just to go shopping.

he hasn't spoken to her in decades and is of course appalled by it all.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I mentioned this a long time ago but one of my best friends is Ghislaine's cousin, his mom and hers were sisters. He'd often go for a summer visit to the Maxwell's estate as a kid. I also remember him telling me long (before anyone had heard of Epstein) that he had this rich cousin who would sometimes fly from London to NYC just to go shopping.

he hasn't spoken to her in decades and is of course appalled by it all.
You move effortlessly between the demi-monde of the 70s New York punk scene and the high flying glitterati of the European/Israeli illuminati-paedo class... and, through yet another unrelated connection you pop round to the house of the UK's highest judge for tea. And did you say you taught Leadbelly to play guitar? That was the one time where you let it slip that you really are a centuries old time travelling vampire who survives on the blood of children which you consume on pizza.

Is it true that Jarmusch originally wanted to call his film Only Leos Left Alive until you ordered him to change it?

 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Can't remember which thread I posted in the other day about Randy Andy's teddy bear collection, but this might as well go here:


I expect someone is on the wind-up with this, purely on the basis of well what is he going to do about it? but it's still pretty funny.
 

suspended

Well-known member
You move effortlessly between the demi-monde of the 70s New York punk scene and the high flying glitterati of the European/Israeli illuminati-paedo class... and, through yet another unrelated connection you pop round to the house of the UK's highest judge for tea. And did you say you taught Leadbelly to play guitar? That was the one time where you let it slip that you really are a centuries old time travelling vampire who survives on the blood of children which you consume on pizza.

Is it true that Jarmusch originally wanted to call his film Only Leos Left Alive until you ordered him to change it?

Yeah vampires is a good reference here. Obviously lizardpeople is a newer myth but vampires is the OG. Shows like True Blood do a good job with this—placing historic vampires in e.g. the US government, the Spanish inquisition, etc. Buffy not so much.
 

suspended

Well-known member
Can you imagine what a field day Pynchon would have with all this stuff, if he wasn't already decrepit, skin falling off his face, breathing through a tube
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Can you imagine what a field day Pynchon would have with all this stuff, if he wasn't already decrepit, skin falling off his face, breathing through a tube
Every now and then I read something about him in the news and it always surprises me that he's still alive.

Bob Dylan is another one.
 
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