the Arbitrary

[sus]

Now you're fucking with me I know you're not too dense to understand me

 

[sus]

The Pollock clip I posted was good too, Linebaugh appreciated it. Every stroke seems as good as every other stroke and if you sit there deliberating which to pick you'll never pick. Creativity has to accept a little bit of arbitrariness. Cage & aleatory art take this to the logical extreme.

 

[luka]

i guess im just not sure if what you are saying necessarily negates what Moretti is arguing

 

[craner]

Never think about life

 

[luka]

Never think about life

what should we think about Oliver? Direct us. we lack direction.

 

[luka]

he;s left us rudderless

 

[WashYourHands]

“The relationship between an individual and a social norm is a cultural process” -

 

[linebaugh]

'why things dont matter' is a hard topic to tackle. not sure whats going on in here

 

[Clinamenic]

 

[Clinamenic]

 

[woops]

Queneau's Exercises in Style worth a shout

Love this book but that's a technical challenge too

 

[sus]

'why things dont matter' is a hard topic to tackle. not sure whats going on in here

I said "things do matter" repeatedly and luka pretended not to understand me

 

[linebaugh]

this sense of the arbitrary has now extended itself into character formation and into interpretations of truth and reality

Is this a shared sense or a sense that an observer looking from the outside in might have?

 

[linebaugh]

Cause for those in it I think style has the sense of being the least arbitrary aspect of 'character formation'

 

[luka]

I said "things do matter" repeatedly and luka pretended not to understand me

thats becasue this is about the arbitrary not the necessary

 

[luka]

best thing about this thread so far is that i have learned how to spell abitrary. i never noticed the extra 'r' before

 

[shiels]

Computers head gus is saying true randomness doesn't exist luke, anomalies highlight limits of understanding and the need for further study, they’re just points in patterns or processes that are of complexity beyond current comprehension

 

[shiels]

is a certain lack of comprehension / self-awareness necessary for a style to land and resonate?

 

[luka]

i dont know about that necessarily but becoming aware of the arbitrary nature of your choices definitely lands you in difficult waters.

 

[luka]

i often go on about that time as a teenager when weed amplified my self consciousness to the point when everything i did felt wrong, from the voice i chose to use to the way i was standing at the traffic light waiting for the green man