have you had the corona yet?

[Leo]

i think they say the booster is useless against omicron?

it seems to reduce (but not prevent) chance of infection. it also seems to substantially reduce the risk of serious illness and hospitalizations, which is the more important thing. it's like the flu: most everyone will likely get it at some point, the goal is to only get mild symptoms.

 

[wild greens]

Yeah, the 'just catch it and get it over with' crowd have been rather quiet on this front lately.

I know it's not always the case but the second infection is generally far less severe than the first

I'd rather just catch it again than be indebted to the boosters forever tbh

Do you get a flu jab every winter?

 

[Mr. Tea]

I know it's not always the case but the second infection is generally far less severe than the first

I'd rather just catch it again than be indebted to the boosters forever tbh

I dunno really. Plenty of people I know have had it (whether omicron variant or no, I don't know), but they're all had their jabs, so haven't suffered from lasting symptoms, I think. General consensus is that it's like having a fairly nasty cold for a week or so. Hardly the end of the world, but given the choice between having a nasty cold for a week or not, I'd prefer the "not" option.

If boosters are available then I see no reason not take them, but I don't think there's been any talk of a second round of boosters yet, has there?

Do you get a flu jab every winter?

Can't recall ever having a flu jab.

 

[Slothrop]

AIUI the expected endgame is that Covid ends up being another endemic virus that you either get vaccinated against or run the risk of getting every now and then. What's worthwhile probably depends on how vulnerable you are, how nasty the form that ends up endemic is (particularly to people who've got previous exposure to or vaccination against other strains), and how often it's likely to come around. The same roughly applies to what sort of control measures are considered worthwhile in the long run.

 

[Slothrop]

The point being that there are a couple of big unknowns in the question of what the best way of "living with covid" actually looks like, so to be honest it's hard to have opinions about it at this stage that don't include a large measure of "it depends".

 

[WashYourHands]

New variants pending, even Biscuits got the fear about errors like Deltacron, HmmGuv was too busy buying jpg’s for a grand

 

[Leo]

AIUI the expected endgame is that Covid ends up being another endemic virus that you either get vaccinated against or run the risk of getting every now and then. What's worthwhile probably depends on how vulnerable you are, how nasty the form that ends up endemic is (particularly to people who've got previous exposure to or vaccination against other strains), and how often it's likely to come around. The same roughly applies to what sort of control measures are considered worthwhile in the long run.

Slothrop, your comment is far too rational for this forum.

 

[Slothrop]

New variants pending, even Biscuits got the fear about errors like Deltacron, HmmGuv was too busy buying jpg’s for a grand

The basic Biscuits line is that new variants are initially terrifying and will definitely kill us all because they evade existing vax-based immunity, but become totally harmless and no worse than a mild cold as soon there's any suggestion that we might actually do anything to avoid catching them.

 

[Slothrop]

Turns out Omicron may outcompete delta to a greater degree depending on your existing immunity. So an immune naive person is less likely to catch it than someone who's had Corona, who's less likely to catch it than someone who's had one jab, who's less likely to catch it than a triple jabberee. Hence this wave of sickness in the vaccinated.

Fuck, I wish I wasn't vaccinated now. That way I could catch delta, then get immunity to delta from that, then catch omicron too. Sounds great!

 

[Slothrop]

Also, to be clear, nothing in the thing you were posting says that you're more likely to get omicron if you're vaccinated than if you aren't, just if you're infected with both then you'll probably end up with omicron rather than delta. Which is kind of how immunity normally works, right?

 

[Leo]

I predict some confusing, unsourced graphs in our future.

 

[Slothrop]

Maybe some condescending insults if we're lucky?

 

[Mr. Tea]

Maybe some condescending insults if we're lucky?

Perhaps some megawatt projection that we're "embarrassing" ourselves and "should never post again".

 

[WashYourHands]

From the Sam Hyde of Kegworth, 15+ years ago

If fantasising that I'm your gimp boy helps you through today, that's fine. That's great!

An equitable online forum like this is probably one of the best places for an angry, repressed, BDSM-loving gay like you to build your confidence before going out to choke on some cocks and cry sweet tears of humiliation and worthlessness.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Omicron prefers the [double-vaxxed, unboosted] to either the unvaxxed or unboosted.

btw I caught Omicron and was strong positive for 3 days and weak positive for 2 (performed nasal/throat irrigation as per peer-reviewed studies roughly every four hours from day 2) - was much less bad than the original covid.

If you want to avoid a bad cold don't take a jab that gives a leg up to the cold viruses out there - I was out of action for less time than boosted buddies laid low with previously innocuous colds.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Also, to be clear, nothing in the thing you were posting says that you're more likely to get omicron if you're vaccinated than if you aren't, just if you're infected with both then you'll probably end up with omicron rather than delta. Which is kind of how immunity normally works, right?

More likely to get it being double-vaxxed with a treatment that enables what it's ostensibly trying to prevent after time t, than unvaxxed

 

[mixed_biscuits]

The regulators are beginning to question the safety of jabs to infinity and beyond - the gravy's train going to buy the pharm sooner rather than later.

 

[wild greens]

If boosters are available then I see no reason not take them, but I don't think there's been any talk of a second round of boosters yet, has there?

Not yet over here no

I'm just saying that for those who have caught it and been relatively okay, unless there's some new king dick variant, what's the point in a booster.

Not like it even reduces transmission with omicron anymore is it

Hard to have these sort of discussions really otherwise you get lumped in with Laurence Fox etc

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Not yet over here no

I'm just saying that for those who have caught it and been relatively okay, unless there's some new king dick variant, what's the point in a booster.

Not like it even reduces transmission with omicron anymore is it

Hard to have these sort of discussions really otherwise you get lumped in with Laurence Fox etc

Those who do the lumping are worse, tho

 

[IdleRich]

Liza was supposed to be meeting a friend for drinks or food or something on Fri but this girl said that on Thursday she is going to visit a friend who is infected in a deliberate attempt to catch it herself and thus - she believes - avoid needing a jab.

She told Liza she would take a test after and cancel their meeting if it came out positive. But L said (to me) fuck that, what if it's too soon for the test and it comes out negative but she is actually positive?

She's got a point. Despite our healthy lifestyles, we are now of an age where c19 is a virtual death sentence.... seems crazy and irresponsible for this girl to actually try and get it, and unfair given that if she catches it she could pass it on to someone more vulnerable (she's like 28).

The French here are all strongly antivax to the point where it feels that there is a definite thing going on. I mean, it's not just anecdotal, if I meet someone who is French is almost safe to assume that they will be antivax. Is there less vaccine take up in France than elsewhere or is this just a part of the culture in their expat scene here in Lisbon?