The Depopulation Agenda

[sus]

I appreciate that blithe optimism and faith in Progress is kind of your thing, but come on. There was jubilation the other day when the JET team managed to recover 1% of the power they were putting into the machine. For five minutes.

That is not a solution to the problems we face right now.

Literally nobody and especially not me said anything about nuclear fusion solving climate change and especially not "right now." I have been abundantly clear throughout the thread that I'm talking about long-term carrying capacity contra concerns of the Malthusian variety, on scales of hundreds or thousands of years—not about whether weather will be shitty in the third world in coming decades. "Blithe optimism and faith in progress"—Yawn, try harder or learn how to read. Talk to me when you actually want to talk to me and not some imaginary version of myself you've conjured up in your mind to knock over.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Literally nobody and especially not me said anything about nuclear fusion solving climate change and especially not "right now." I have been abundantly clear throughout the thread that I'm talking about long-term carrying capacity contra concerns of the Malthusian variety, on scales of hundreds or thousands of years—not about whether weather will be shitty in the third world in coming decades. "Blithe optimism and faith in progress"—Yawn, try harder or learn how to read. Talk to me when you actually want to talk to me and not some imaginary version of myself you've conjured up in your mind to knock over.

We got onto this because you - eventually - acknowledged the problem of climate change.

That's what I'm talking about here, in the context of energy, population and everything else. I don't really care about your fusion-powered Star Trek far future where we can make our dinner in a molecular replicator.

 

[sus]

Hopeless, it's hopeless

 

[Mr. Tea]

Hopeless, it's hopeless

Finally, enlightenment!

 

[yyaldrin]

that nuclear fusion thing will probably have some unforeseen side effect that will fuck things up even more just like all those inventions. let's just stop driving cars and do shitty work. let's grow vegetables on our lands and spend the day fishing and singing.

 

[luka]

i agree. except not for me. i dont want to fish or grow vegetables or sing. but im happy for everyone else too. except not fishing becasue the oceans are dangerously overfished.

 

[sus]

that nuclear fusion thing will probably have some unforeseen side effect that will fuck things up even more just like all those inventions. let's just stop driving cars and do shitty work. let's grow vegetables on our lands and spend the day fishing and singing.

Here we have a perfect example of a degrowth Berliner, who, like all degrowthers, has failed to do his homework even to the extent of reading upthread.

 

[luka]

i think that it is important we have a continued trad euro influence on the forum. i enjoy yyyyaldrins opinions. even though i was disappointed he invested in crytocurrency. on the other hand i was encouraged to hear he lost all his money instantly.

 

[yyaldrin]

Here we have a perfect example of a degrowth Berliner, who, like all degrowthers, has failed to do his homework even to the extent of reading upthread.

i just don't believe it till i see it! it sounds to good to be true. like a perpetual motion machine

 

[yyaldrin]

also the nation that first develops one of those will have the power to crush all other nations. i don't see the point in developing it if there is a perfectly fine alternative.

 

[Mr. Tea]

also the nation that first develops one of those will have the power to crush all other nations. i don't see the point in developing it if there is a perfectly fine alternative.

Why would that be the case?

 

[luka]

well i guess becasue the economic and productive advantage gained would be so great

 

[luka]

if you run the scenarios in your head, in a very simple, basic way, you'll probably decide that that is not a foregone conclusion,
for various reasons, and it would depend which country ended up with it. but yyyyyyaldrin's idea is not mad i dont think

 

[luka]

what are the biggest and best arguments for a human cull on a massive scale?
carbon stuff, pollution more generally, plastics, soil erosion, habitat destruction,
loss of biodiversity, people are annoying and get in the way of a nice view....

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

What if the problem of sustainable nuclear fusion is a computational problem? I have an intuition that it is, and that getting and staying ahead of where superheated plasma wants to go on a nanosecond timescale by tuning electromagnetic containment to counter will be critical in maintaining the reaction indefinitely.

But what if the computational problem is intractable for any one processor? One solution might be to use a vast network of individual processors to mine containment solutions and receive rewards in the form of Megawatt hours that can be sold on the market. The perfect union of crypto and thermonuclear technology. This would also make nuclear weapons economically unviable, thus delivering world peace and unity, singing and laughter yyaldrin longs for, but in vast hollowed out asteroids bound for virgin planets.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

what are the biggest and best arguments for a human cull on a massive scale?

To rid the world of the communist infection, forever and ever.

 

[luka]

that might work if there was a communist gene we were able to identify. which i sometimes suspect is possible
given they are all of a particular type.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

that might work if there was a communist gene we were able to identify. which i sometimes suspect is possible
given they are all of a particular type.

It's a meme, not a gene.

 

[luka]

well you probably cant wipe it out then, unless you propose to kill everyone.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

well you probably cant wipe it out then, unless you propose to kill everyone.

No, no, only the communists and their fellow travellers, and their pets.